start end text 0.7 29.9 Wow! This is by numbers, right… the World… And it's also this industry that is so huge, there's so much money involved in this… And so many people, particularly after it's already been administered, they don't want to harm the industry. Like this is already done, the last thing we want to do is decrease profits even more… So, let's figure out a way to raise the profits to a similar level that they cheat over the last few years… And how do we do that? 29.0 30.0 29.2 32.8 And here's an interesting thing that's come out recently. 31.9 36.4 In the united states the original vaccine is now no longer approved 36.9 39.5 Right?
Yes.
Then why is that? 39.1 40.7 I don't know. 40.7 45.9 They've got this bivalent, which is a newer type, but I think it's the same thing there, Joe. 45.1 47.4 I don't know what they're doing. 46.5 87.4 I don't fully understand it, to be perfectly honest with you. But I think, what's going to happen is… they are still going to keep using it in the winter. Like with the flu vaccine, they're just going to add it in… Here's the core vaccine for you, which is the same stuff. So, I don't think it's an acceptance that we've realized as a problem we're going to just slowly introduce something else… I think it's the same problem. I mean on that note, though, Switzerland and even Germany now are essentially stopping the use of these vaccines. And I think what we must be very aware of joe is that we shouldn't let them slowly phase out this vaccine. 86.4 92.4 It may end up happening here as well as if nothing ever happened, and they move on to the next thing… 92.7 96.2 Because that's what they've done with other drugs in the past. 95.3 100.7 You know, I was involved in a case in the UK with a drug that was used heavily here as well. 99.8 142.9 It's called Alteplase, a “clot-busting” drug, and it's used for strokes. Emergency for strokes. And I got contacted by a whistleblower, many years ago, who then published a letter in The Lancet, who basically looked at the data on which the drug was approved, and said it was flawed. There was evidence of potential fraud. And eventually, this went up to the regulator, and got publicized in The Lancet. I helped him get it on BBC News and Channel 4 news. If it didn't get there, I don't think it would have got the attention it needed. And ultimately the regulator got involved, and I was fully aware of the investigation into this drug. I was getting informed by people there, that they didn't really know what to say or what to do. 142.3 157.1 They couldn't really answer the important questions he asked them about the regulatory approval, and data which was clearly obviously showing significant harm and hardly any benefits, in terms of causing brain bleeds. And probably several thousand people died unnecessarily because of it. 156.4 179.3 And what they did was… It was one of the quality markers in hospitals that the hospitals would be remunerated if they used this drug in a timely fashion… They just removed it, one day from the website, of this, being a quality marker of care… It was removed, and it just stopped being used, and then they moved on to something else. 179.2 194.9 It never got public that, actually, we shouldn't have ever approved of this in the first place, and the information that we used was potentially fraudulent or flawed. And, therefore, they just carry on… 194.0 202.7 So, we must be very careful, we must be aware, Joe, that they potentially could do this now. It's already kind of happened! 203.0 210.5 You didn't use this in the U.S., but in many European countries one of the vaccines that was used at the beginning for covid was AstraZeneca 211.0 242.5 By the summer of 2021, most European countries had suspended the AstraZeneca vaccine. They stopped using it. But no one really knew about it. They kind of heard there were a few cases of rare blood clots or whatever, right? Reporting these very very rare blood clots, and then suddenly they stopped using it… It wasn't well publicized. And then I found out, only a few months ago, because I focused on the mRNA Pfizer vaccine, I didn't look AstraZeneca. I got contacted by some people in India. It was being used, so it was suspended ??? in European countries 242.8 247.1 because of these quite significant common serious adverse events. 247.0 252.0 It was used, and continued to be used, even now, in India, under a different name. 251.1 254.1 It's the same vaccine. it's called Covishield. 254.8 313.1 When I saw that, I was shocked. So, I went to India, gave some lectures over there, engage with mainstream journalists over there, who know me and see me as a credible voice in lots of areas, whether it's heart disease or diet, or heart stents or whatever… And I said I need to get this into the mainstream media. So, I basically gave a lecture, and up until the summer of 2021, there was a paper published. Comment, but it was one of the ??? immunology journals. And it basically said, at that stage, the AstraZeneca vaccine was worse than Pfizer for cardiovascular effects. Worse than Pfizer. So, I got this into the mainstream, into the Times of India. And what's really interesting about this, and it links into something else in south africa — I didn't know, I went there just because I wanted to help people, I was giving lectures but I had people coming up to me after my lectures, like widows crying, saying… And a nurse, I remember, came to me and said my husband who was fitting well had this and he basically dropped dead of a heart attack two weeks later. 312.2 314.3 I know this is what it was. 313.4 315.6 Thank you for everything you're doing! 314.7 333.2 It got into the Times of India, and it got some publicity for the first time in that country. And I wasn't aware… Well, I didn't do it for this reason, I then met a very prominent lawyer in India, who is involved in a case where a young activist has accused 333.6 356.4 one of the richest men in india who is involved in the rollout of their covid vaccine. I wouldn't agree with what he said, ??? but he basically took social media. This young activist said that this guy committed mass murder… So, this man is suing for, like, literally millions of pounds this young guy who's like a nutrition scientist, he doesn't have much money… 357.4 395.0 on this thing that this is defamatory, and the vaccine is safe and effective, and the accusation from this young activist was that this guy should have known or knew, and why did he support these and made a lot of money out of the AstraZeneca vaccine… So, I meet this lawyer, and the case is ongoing, and they weren't really getting anywhere. Until he put in front of the judge an article in the times of india where me, the British cardiologist, said this is a big problem and this is suspended… And he said it completely turned the judge, you could see that he turned ??? and he was like… 395.4 403.3 The reason I'm saying this joe is, even the judiciary, this is the battle we face. So many people have been indoctrinated, there were so many biases here. 403.9 442.4 One of the ways that we combat this — and I think your platform is probably one of the most important potentially in the world on this, let's not underestimate that — is disseminating this truth. Traditionally it's been through legacy media, that are failing the public at the moment, right? They are acting in ways that are anti-democratic they're ??? the truth, they are deliberately suppressing information… What we are trying to do here, if we want to revolutionize healthcare, we want patients in public to get a better deal, we want a better democracy, is we make this injustice visible… That's what mahatma gandhi said. 441.6 445.0 You know, how did he get the British colonial out of India? 444.7 448.5 You know, how did he expose everything they were doing was wrong? 448.4 455.1 Make the injustice visible. And traditionally, the most effective way to do that is through the mainstream media. 454.3 487.9 But the legacy media, I think, people are losing trust. Even smears and attacks have happened to me after I went on the BBC to talk about statins. And then, I don't know if you know about this, but it was a few months ago, I mentioned excess deaths could be because of the vaccine. It got a lot of views, like 25 million views on Twitter, but there was a backlash immediately, where the guardian, a newspaper in which I've written 19 opinion editorials over the years, including 3 front-page commentaries for the observer, ??? me and undermined my credibility. There was a quote from a cardiologist saying: “He doesn't have a career in cardiology, this is ridiculous.” 488.5 515.5 The comment section in The Guardian initially, and even the Times, newspapers that do things similarly, were largely supportive of what I was doing. So, there's a disconnect here, and I think the legacy media are… They're losing out, I think, they're in big danger. And I think one of the things that you enjoy is, because you have these conversations, you're willing to hear different points of view, that's what people want, Joe. That's what people really want, and people, ultimately, they want access to the truth. And they want to do the right thing. 514.8 519.7 You know, they hate to see injustice. So, we keep making injustice visible and we will win this. 519.1 530.5 I don't know if you're aware of this, but there was… I believe, a Facebook post… Where I don't remember what organization put it up, but it might have been a news organization. 529.9 535.0 It was: “Do you know anyone that died from covid?” 534.7 538.0 Like: “What are your stories about people who died from covid?” 537.1 551.3 And then, underneath it, people started posting all their loved ones that died from the vaccine and all their loved ones that had debilitating injuries from the vaccine, and it was a massive post. 550.7 558.4 It was thousands and thousands and thousands of comments… Obviously unverified, anecdotal… 557.6 559.8 You don't know what I mean. 559.2 561.9 Could be all disinformation. 561.0 562.4 Who knows? 562.1 573.2 But the shock of seeing that printed, and this was early on, this was when people were still very much on the narrative that the vaccine was getting us out of this. 572.3 584.4 The vaccine was safe and effective, and only fools and conspiracy theorists were willing to not do it, to risk their lives, and not participate. And it was pretty stunning! 584.6 615.1 That feeling I get. That's the same I get from conversations with people, where they tell you about their uncle, their friend or this, they're that, their brother, their son, they tell you about these injuries, and then they tell you about the struggles of getting people to connect them to the vaccine. They talk about how they've tried to get into the VAERS report (Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System) and the unsuccessful attempts to do that, even though the VAERS report is pretty extensive with vaccine injuries. 614.9 625.9 The whole thing seems like, there are a lot of people that don't want to talk about it, but have stories and feel very fucked over. 626.8 698.9 It's exactly the experience I've been having, you know. Wherever I go, I speak to — I'm more curious about what drives people and their health et cetera … On this vaccine issue, Joe, whether it's a cab driver or a shopkeeper, when I was in south africa, when I was in India, over in the States, almost everybody has a story, Joe! Everybody has a story to tell. That's important. Now, you're right, we can't always be definitive that it's the vaccine. But coming back to the basics of what we learn in medicine, eighty per cent of your diagnosis comes from the history, so listen to the patients, and most of the time they will give you the answer… Something like this that you just discussed was recently published in a journal called bmc infectious diseases, high impact journal, and it was a survey conducted, an interesting analysis of American people. The sample size wasn't massive, I think, it was about 3000, and the calculations that were done suggested, when extrapolated up, that there may well be up to one million serious adverse effects from the covid vaccine in the united states, in 2021 alone, and 278 thousand fatalities. Right? Just from this survey where people knew of somebody or maybe ??? who died. 699.1 730.3 That's very telling. It's important information, I think, to have a discussion about. Now, this paper, only a couple of weeks ago, on April 11, was retracted because the journal was put under pressure. Not because they had committed some fraud or whatever else. There was no real good reason given, you know, we are not something around “you can't draw causal inference from this paper,” which was in the paper anyway, I mean, the people wrote this, of course, you can't say it's causal, but it's still important. 729.6 745.3 This is the level that there could be. They said so, there was, it could be that high. We need to have these discussions. And also if there's such a disconnection between how patients in the public feel, and they are now not trusting or believing the medical establishment. 744.6 749.3 That's not good for medicine. It's not good for democracy, it's not good for government. 750.4 753.4 For societies to flourish 753.6 759.6 constructively and progressively, people need to be able to trust each other. 758.9 762.9 You can only trust each other if you believe people are telling the truth. 762.6 768.8 So, we are heading down a very dangerous path… 768.8 787.3 Until we can relieve the world from this corporatarianism, this is the battle we face, you know, the one of truth versus money, materialism and, dare I say, in some ways psychopathy and spiritualism, right? And we need to go back to understanding, what does it mean to be human? 789.6 802.5 What does it mean to be a good human? What does it mean to lead a good life? And that is underpinned by also basic values: honesty, integrity, empathy, compassion, courage… This is what we need to be teaching. 801.6 803.7 There's a cultural issue here. 802.8 815.7 I think there's also, that's what led us a little bit, and it's hindering us from making progress. Because these people, as, you know, even your friends and celebrities, why can't they just be brave enough to just come out and speak the truth? 814.8 820.3 Just as real consequences, and they can avoid those consequences by just not talking. 819.5 824.5 Yeah… They don't feel like they have that much of an ability to change things. 823.7 828.5 Yeah… I feel like this machine is massive and dangerous and scary… 829.4 849.7 I think we shouldn't underestimate the power of speaking the truth. I'm somebody that has, you know, in recent months — I know you've had him on your show a few times, and it makes sense to me what he says, Jordan Peterson, right? — so we have to accept it's not safe to speak the truth, but it's even less safe to not speak the truth… Because the problem isn't going to go away, it's only going to get worse. 849.0 873.6 It isn't even about being virtuous or courageous. For me, it's about being rational… So, we need to keep having these conversations and hopefully, with time, situation… People will… I think more and more people are speaking out, more doctors are speaking out. Certainly, when I started, you know, I was one of the lone voices, with people like Peter mccullough who's been brilliant on top of this for a long time. But more and more doctors, now, more and more people are speaking out. 872.6 877.4 I feel most for my profession, I'm more worried about them than anyone. 876.5 881.7 I mean, of course, my patients are being harmed, by the time the trust has been eroded. 881.6 884.7 You know, it's going to take… We have to accept it. 883.8 885.9 The trust has been eroded. 885.3 897.3 It's going to take time to regain that trust, but the longer the medical establishment ignores the fact that they are essentially slaves 897.8 898.9 to 899.2 906.3 corporate tyrannical and often psychopathic entities, so, as long as they continue to ignore that, 906.5 910.2 our patients are going to suffer more and more. 910.4 920.2 You touched briefly on one thing that's very disturbing, but one thing we should probably talk some more about… It's an increase in overall mortality. 921.0 927.3 The increase in overall mortality is pretty unprecedented. Correct? 926.5 927.7 Yes. 928.0 935.3 So, this has been going on as being in the news, or getting some attention certainly for the last several months and 935.8 938.4 when you look at excess deaths 938.6 955.5 a significant proportion of those, if not most of them, are usually cardiovascular heart attacks and strokes. Obviously my area of interest. The question is what's causing it. And with heart disease, of course, cardiovascular disease, it's a multifactorial condition. 955.8 957.2 957.5 987.3 Some of it, for sure, and I actually predicted this, interestingly, before the vaccine came onto the scene, in my mind… I knew that because of lockdowns and the psychological stress associated with it, and people's diets getting worse, and being sedentary and stuff, I predicted that there probably would be, over time, an increase in heart attacks. Certainly more vulnerable people. And I think there is definitely a role to be played there, Joe, in this.
Also drinking, much more people drank. During the pandemic, alcoholism increased. 986.6 991.0 Yeah. These things were absolute, you know… Mental health obviously got worse. 990.1 996.6 So, there's gonna be… I haven't looked at this, but I suspect some of these are going to be, people… 995.7 998.6 The suicides have gone up with that kind of thing. 997.6 1000.5 I'm sure that's going to probably be a big contributing factor. 999.7 1002.7 Lack of screening and medical attention. 1002.0 1003.1 Yeah… 1002.6 1010.6 A little bit of that, not so much. Because I remember I said that modern medicine itself only gives marginal benefits actually to most people. 1009.7 1018.5 I think the emergency ??? for example. People not getting timely treatment in emergencies. For sure, like people in cardiac arrest etc. 1017.6 1022.0 But then, what's driving the increase in cardiac arrest that we've seen, right? 1021.0 1023.6 That's a question… 1024.4 1034.5 So, what proportion of those excess deaths is because of the vaccine? And there isn't much data out there that's reliable 1035.0 1066.7 but Norman… Professor norman fenson is a professor of risk at queen mary university, emeritus professor of risk, a very well-published, very respected mathematician, statistician, professor of risk… He did a recent article online, and his estimates in the UK — and you can extrapolate this around the world if you like — in terms of the excess deaths that occurred since say 2021… He suggests that maybe half of those 1067.1 1069.6 are because of the covid vaccines. 1069.3 1073.4 Now, when we're talking about excess deaths, what are the numbers? 1073.0 1084.1 Well, in the UK, absolute numbers are about 120,000 excess deaths since 2021, and he's…
What's the percentage over a normal year? 1084.0 1090.8 I can't tell you. I thought ???, Joe. I can't break down the percentage specifically for you. 1091.0 1110.7 I mean, separately in my paper, one thing I looked at was the increase in out-of-hospital cardiac arrests that happened in 2021, after the vaccine rollout, versus 2020. And that was in the region of, something like a 14 to 20 per cent increase. Which is, you know, quite significant… 1111.9 1120.3 And is it universal, or is it uniform in all the states that rolled out these vaccines, this increase in 1121.2 1133.1 excess deaths?
Yeah. The problem is the data is not collected, and we have to rely on government figures. So, certainly, in the UK, it does seem to be pretty consistent.
Is it proportional 1132.4 1137.3 to places where there was a very low number of vaccinated people? 1137.1 1144.7 Yes. So, if you look across countries, across the world, there is definitely a correlation with 1145.1 1158.5 highly vaccinated countries and excess deaths. The one caveat though, which is interesting, and I can explain that, is there hasn't been any significant increase in excess deaths in Sweden, and they're very highly vaccinated. 1157.6 1158.7 Now… 1159.1 1183.2 Although the excess deaths are, maybe, one of the lowest in the world, they're still probably higher than you would expect after a pandemic when a lot of vulnerable people would have died. And, therefore, your excess death rate should be in the negative. And they're not in the negative, so that means they're still higher than you would expect. And I've been to Sweden and given lectures and spoken to cardiologists, and they're seeing these vaccine injuries. So why is Sweden doing better? 1182.7 1190.5 As I said earlier, a lot of vulnerabilities to vaccine injuries are people who had poorer baseline health. The same people are vulnerable to covid. 1190.5 1207.3 A lot of the excess deaths are still also in the countries which had high obesity rates. So, looking at covid — and that does not underestimate, I'll forget about this — ninety per cent of the deaths globally from covid happened in countries where more than half the population were overweight or obese. 1207.8 1230.8 And when you understand the mechanism of harm of the vaccine, which is basically increasing inflammation in the body, systemically, for a number of months… If you've already got a baseline problem of a little bit of chronic inflammation, it's just going to make it worse. So, it makes sense, from a biological perspective, why people who were also vulnerable to covid are also more vulnerable to vaccine injuries. 1230.0 1233.6 And Sweden's baseline health is a lot healthier. 1232.8 1251.6 There are a lot of Scandinavian countries, they are generally healthier, they have lower social inequalities… Something very interesting is that the bigger the gap between the rich and the poor in countries, that's a big risk factor for ill health as well. Because there's something called status anxiety, Joe. 1251.7 1263.7 When you have a big gap between rich and poor, everybody is more… is comparing themselves to each other… and that causes stress, chronic stress. It's an element. 1262.8 1273.0 There's a lot of data, and interesting research on this. Whereas in the Scandinavian countries, they're much more equal societies socioeconomically, and that probably also makes them less stressed and healthier. 1274.0 1276.6
Mmmh… That makes sense, clearly. 1276.2 1281.9 Also dietary choices, health choices, and the stress of drug abuse. 1281.7 1285.2 Often it comes with impoverished people. 1284.4 1285.6 Yes. 1285.1 1287.5 Absolutely. 1287.3 1305.2 The whole thing is just so extraordinary. And it's so hard to gather up the information, and it really takes having a conversation with someone like yourself over hours, to really just lay out the landscape so that people can understand that. 1304.7 1305.8 Yeah. 1304.9 1323.4 I think that's also part of the problem with getting this narrative out there, that it requires someone to commit to listening to someone like yourself and talk for a long time to get a real understanding of what are the mechanisms that could be causing these problems, 1324.1 1330.5 what are the vulnerabilities that the system has that would allow this to take place in the first place? 1330.0 1332.8 It's all very complex.
Yeah. 1332.5 1336.8 I mean, so, again, that goes to… Like, what are some of the solutions here? 1336.0 1350.9 So, there's a very interesting approach structure used in Thailand, called the triangle that moves the mountain, and the mountain is considered like a social problem that is thought to be very difficult to move or change. 1350.3 1354.2 So how can we simplify this complex problem? 1353.8 1360.9 So, we focus on the right things to move forward, rather than think… become apathetic or think, oh my god this is too big… 1360.0 1362.6 You know, where do we focus our attention? 1362.0 1381.6 So, the triangle that moves a mountain has three components. One is the information, clean, clear evidence disseminating that information, the truthful information, right? Then it's the social movement, empowering people who are educated to make noise and to educate each other about what's going on. 1380.7 1395.3 And then, the third one, maybe more challenging, is political involvement, because ultimately the politicians have the power over laws, over protecting the public in this instance from the excesses and manipulations of pharma, right? 1394.8 1402.2 So, that's how that mountain can be moved. And that's something I have almost 1402.5 1443.1 done intuitively over the years: learning from other activists. But, you know, if you take the issue of sugar, for example, Joe… I was very prominent in highlighting the harms of excess sugar, doing my own investigation, getting it out through the mainstream media, but also having that conversation, getting into politicians and getting to parliament ultimately, you know… I was the first science director of this organization called Action Sugar. It got lots of scientists together, broke the mainstream news, and got lots of media involved. It became a campaign with basically the front page of the Daily Mail when we first launched our campaign, which for me was a big win with sugar as a new tobacco. That was it… 1442.2 1447.5 I thought people need to know, front page Daily Mail 2014, boom! Right? 1446.6 1450.2 And then everything took off from there. Where, you know, 1450.9 1458.7 the sex tape for health at the time, Jeremy Hunt, I met him, and what happened, even though that was a relatively right-wing government? You wouldn't think this would happen. 1457.8 1486.4 It resulted, because of that media attention and the dissemination of that information that sugar was harmful and we've been manipulated by the food industry, it resulted in ??? introducing a tax on sugary drinks in the UK, which is a big win. And, again, why that's important is — we talked about Big Tobacco earlier — do you know what biggest healthcare breakthrough has happened in the last forty or fifty years in the Western world? Taxation of cigarettes! 1486.6 1496.9 Fifty per cent of the decline in smoking… Sorry, in heart disease deaths, it has happened because of smoking. But it only happened when there were regulations imposed. 1497.6 1505.7 So, in public health, we call about addressing the affordability, the availability and the 1506.1 1535.8 acceptability of cigarettes. So, public health education campaigns, affordability taxation of cigarettes, and availability of public smoking bans. But the impact of these public health interventions, Joe, was huge. So Helena, Montana, in 2002, introduced a public smoking ban, you couldn't smoke in public places. Within six months, 40 per cent decline in admissions with heart attacks, because passive smoking increases platelet activity and clottability of the blood. 1534.9 1538.8 So, suddenly you remove that from the environment…
Passive smoking…
Yes! 1538.2 1540.2 What do you mean by passive? 1539.2 1541.6 As then, you're non-smoking… 1540.7 1545.3 So, you're smoking, now, and I'm inhaling your fumes. 1544.3 1610.4 Oh! Second-hand smoking…
“Second-hand smoking” you call it here. We call it “passive” in the UK. And that increases, within thirty minutes of that… Studies were done to show that the increase of platelet activity, in terms of your blood becomes more clottable just within thirty minutes of passive smoking. Do you see? Yes, you move out from the environment, and suddenly massive reduction. When the law was rescinded because of the tobacco lobby, within a few months the heart attack levels went back to what they were beforehand. It shows you the impact of it, and eventually, obviously we won that battle. The same thing happened in Scotland: 17 per cent decrease within one year of out-of-hospital cardiac arrests after the smoking ban. So, these are the important interventions like public health. Now, if we applied the same thing to food, we tax ultra-processed food, we make healthy food, real food more affordable, knowing the science of dietary changes on health, you could probably, within the space of a few years, probably in the right way, theoretically, halve the death rates from heart disease. So, you know, we need to think in these terms. And, coming back to what we said earlier about the sociocultural phenomenon of the perception amongst people about modern medicine being the saviour… 1610.7 1621.2 From 1850 to now, to 2014, right, in America, there's been an average increase in life expectancy of 40 years. 1621.8 1640.6 When they did surveys of public health students and asked them how much of those 40 years was because of modern medicine, the response was they thought 80 per cent of those 40 years was because of modern medicine and healthcare. So, 32 of those 40-year increases in life expectancy. So, the average age was 40 of death or whatever, 1850, and now it's what, 79? 1640.6 1646.3 Do you know what the real figure was from modern medicine? About 3 1/2 to 5 years… 1646.1 1678.1 Most of what increased life expectancy in the last 150 years whatever, has been through public health interventions: safe drinking, water, seat belts in cars, safer working environments, better sanitation, smoke-free buildings… In some ways, better nutrition, in some sense, because of all these nutrition deficiencies that killed people through defective immune systems… And that's a conversation we seem to start having again, you know… Most of what determines your health happens outside the doctor's consultation room! 1677.6 1691.6 And that is a sociocultural phenomenon we have to also address because that also would help policymakers know where they should be devoting their resources if they want to be improving health. But a lot of them are bought into… Even Bill Gates! 1690.7 1694.5 I suspect, Bill Gates, I know, you may have your own opinions on him. 1693.7 1699.9 I think a lot of his issues are one of ignorance and even the illusion of knowledge. 1699.0 1715.2 He's equated advances in technology through engineering or tech with medicine as well… And what I tell patients and ??? doctors usually: if something's more expensive with a new drug it's probably least likely to be effective for you. 1715.4 1716.5 1717.3 1753.6 So, we have to have those conversations with doctors and with the public, that … modern medicine has a role, but there are massive limitations. And the way we are managing chronic disease, which is the big problem in American healthcare, your diabetes, your high blood pressure, heart disease, all that kind of stuff, cancers, is with pills that have very marginal effects of benefit, come with side effects, don't improve the quality of your life, and simultaneously, because of the illusion of benefit, distract policymakers and individuals from focusing on these more effective simple lifestyle changes… 1753.9 1770.9 And that's where we should be focusing our attention. So, what do we do? Well, we have that conversation, we disseminate the information… One of the things I try, through multiple media mechanisms, through lectures, through podcasts, through mainstream media, get information out there… And a few years ago 1771.5 1796.7 I was looking after co-producing a documentary film called The Big Fat Fix, and it covers a lot of stuff we discussed how we got it wrong about saturated fat… And part of that story joe I co-produced it with a chap called Donal O’Neill, who was a former international athlete, who got very interested in the lifestyle stuff because his Dad has had a heart attack, who was a soccer player and he's like… why did he have a heart attack? 1795.8 1815.7 And he realized there was a low-fat diet high-carb ideal, that kind of stuff, and he made this movie called syracos. So, we made this movie, and what we did was, we went back to the origins of where the Mediterranean diet came from, because a lot of the problems with obesity, now — and I know you've discussed this with lots of people — is because of our dietary guidelines: low-fat, high-carb, ultra-processed food et cetera, 1815.0 1825.4 lower cholesterol… That's what we should be focusing on. And it's driven this obesity epidemic. So, we went back to the original village where the Mediterranean diet originally came from, it's called Pioppi. 1824.6 1844.6 Not many people know this southern Italian village. We went there to meet those people, look at how they live, because they're obviously not a wealthy community, they're quite poor actually… Seaside village, the average life expectancy is over 90. They're not taking lots of pills like what's going on here, and their diet was devoid of ??? ultra-processed food. 1844.8 1854.4 Very strong sense of community. If you look at these “blue zones” around the world, where people live, you know, have a healthy life expectancy, not just living with quantity… 1853.5 1856.6 They're healthy, right? A long life and a healthy life. 1856.3 1863.7 You know the common denominator joe other than the fact they didn't have altered processed food in all kinds, or they're active in their outdoors etc. 1862.8 1866.5 They weren't ??? in the gym, they were just out walking in the hills, right? 1865.8 1919.5 Well, they had a very strong sense of community. They looked at each other. And that plays into a greater understanding of the impact of stress on health. And that's something, again, which isn't being addressed properly, because it's now well established that if you have chronic stress it's equivalent as a risk factor for heart disease as being a type-2 diabetic or being a smoker, or a hyper pressure. But it's not being addressed, and I manage a lot of patients by addressing their stress and going to the root. Most of our severe stress coming with heart attacks hasn't been dealt with… And I don't want to digress too much… So, we made this documentary film just to get people to understand that most of what, you know, the lifestyle factors is what you need to do moving forward. And we crowdfunded it, because initially it went to the BBC, they wanted editorial control and started ??? things, and we said, you know what? 1918.5 1930.6 We don't want this to be influenced by any entity that isn't going to be open to telling the full truth about lifestyle, even if it means taking on and exposing all of the sugar industry manipulations… 1932.1 1934.4 And, you know, we used it to… 1934.7 1943.6 Luckily for us, the New York Times covered it Men's Health gave everybody positive views, and we premiered in the British parliament. And that had a really powerful impact. 1942.9 1973.1 I had members of parliament coming to me after it, congratulating me on it, and one of them — who wrote a book as well — called Tom Watson, former Deputy Leader of the Labour party… At the time it was the opposition … He was the Deputy Leader. This guy, he'll admit this, for most of his life, when you see him, is massively obese, like he was known as, like, probably looked as one most obese politician he will see… And about a year after he'd read the book and seen this documentary film, because it premiered in parliament, and MPs were talking about it, etc. 1973.1 1984.9 He calls me up — I didn't know him — he messaged me, in fact, on Twitter, and he said listen, I want to tell you something. He said, I've read your book and I've actually, I've struggled with obesity all my life, and I followed your low-carb Mediterranean diet, right? 1984.3 2002.1 He said I've lost a hundred pounds in a year, and I've sustained it. And I want to talk about it. And he, then, has been a poster boy, and he influenced other politicians… And what happened as a result of that joe is that we then got the sugary drinks tax as well. So, I think all these things, you know… 2002.8 2007.3 Don't underestimate the power of your speech, who you're speaking to, and the power of the truth. 2006.3 2023.4 And now, we've now decided, because of all of this mess we're in, this bubble needs to burst off corporate tyranny. Movies and documentaries can be very powerful to… You know, in sixty minutes it really changes the way people think, if you convey information in the right way. 2022.9 2046.6 So, we're now about to announce it here, obviously, with you for the first time, because we've been discussing… We're doing a new documentary which we're going to get crowdfunded, because we want to be free of commercial influence… which really helps, expose all of these system failures of pharma, regulatory capture, but also give people tools as individuals about how they can improve their health, the questions they should ask their doctor. 2046.2 2049.4 You know… Do I really need this test or procedure? 2048.7 2050.7 What happens if I do nothing? 2049.8 2053.5 Are there any alternatives anything simple or safer options? 2053.4 2066.1 And it will educate doctors. And hopefully, within that sixty minutes, we can have a massive, massive impact… And I'm going to, you know, obviously we need to get it crowdfunded, to make it high quality et cetera. We probably need about half a million dollars. 2066.5 2085.1 And I shared with Jamie. Actually, we've done a little ninety-second promo, kind of trailer video, just to get people to understand what we're about to do. And the title is, you're ready for it, First Do No Pharm, P H A R M… 2086.5 2088.3 [Laugh] That's very catchy. 2087.9 2092.1 I don't have to…
Wait, see this… From th crews of Cereal Killers… 2095.0 2103.0 In 1986, Ronnie Reagan made it easier for American former companies to make more money. 2102.7 2111.5 and in 1992, George Bush allowed them to spend some of that to directly finance the FDA. 2111.9 2121.6 By 1999, drug giant Merck had falsified their own research to usher a new arthritis drug onto the market. 2121.9 2141.1 Vioxx would kill an estimated 55,000 Americans. But that was just for starters… And in the last two decades, big pharma has been fined tens of billions of dollars, but the deception continues. 2142.2 2147.1 When they are free to deceive, who can you believe? 2149.0 2150.1 We welcome Dr Aseem Malhotra… 2154.1 2168.4 They paid fines which were minuscule in comparison to the profit that they made, and nobody got fired, and the system just continues to do the same thing. Nothing has changed to stop them from committing these crimes again. 2167.7 2176.4 Top investors should be held firstly accountable so that they would need to think of the risk of imprisonment when they consider performing … ??? 2184.2 2185.8 Mmmh! 2188.3 2189.9 That was great! 2190.1 2199.8 One of the things that happened, when vaccine injuries first started being discussed, particularly myocarditis… 2200.0 2224.3 There was a lot of confusion, particularly I was confused because I was told by multiple sources, including very credible people, that there was a high risk, particularly with young men, of myocarditis because of the vaccine. Then all this data came out that said there's actually more myocarditis from covid than there is from the vaccine. 2225.1 2249.7 What's the real story there?
The real story is that, during the first year of the pandemic joe and in fact, Israel looked at this… A few million people… They published a paper, which again I referenced as well, which is the best available evidence… is there was no significant increase in myocarditis from the virus, compared to other viruses.
So why did they say there was, and what was the data that they used? 2250.3 2272.1 Yeah… I think, well, there was an over-diagnosis of myocarditis. So, one of the papers that were published in Nature — and I know this because I know some of the authors, and I know somebody close to one of the authors… I don't think they did this deliberately, I think they were fed into this perception that they needed to highlight the harms of covid, and it was affecting the heart… is that 2272.7 2278.1 they weren't strict with their criteria of what myocarditis is. So, for example… 2279.1 2284.4 One of the markers of the inflammation of the heart muscle is something called troponin. 2283.8 2291.0 Troponin also goes up when you have a heart attack. It's used to diagnose a heart attack, but you don't use a single marker on its own to make a diagnosis. 2290.1 2294.8 It's what's the history, what are other tests showing what is a likely diagnosis. 2294.7 2313.2 If you are — and this is something I've come across throughout my whole career — if you have any infection in the body or you are in the stress of having ???, it's quite common that your troponin, which is a marker of inflammation of the heart, which doesn't assign myocarditis, by the way, will go up. 2313.7 2332.3 What they did was… If you're in intensive care… In this study, the way that they over-diagnose, they basically just use people's troponin to make a diagnosis of myocarditis, rather than actually "Is this truly myocarditis?" So, there was a massive over-diagnosis of myocarditis that wasn't myocarditis, and that inflated the numbers. 2331.7 2344.8 When people have looked clinically at the criteria of what myocarditis is, with the use of MRI scans and echoes and all that kind of stuff, and the history… It doesn't show any significant increase compared to other viruses. 2343.9 2394.8 By the way, I have a personal story here. My brother… When I was eleven years old, I lost my older brother. He was thirteen, and he died because of viral myocarditis. So, I know how devastating this can be. I'm not undermining the fact that this can be really devastating. Within a week of having basically a stomach infection, he went into crashing heart failure and died in cardiac arrest. So, it's something I have an interest in, I know about and have managed many people with myocarditis. So, there isn't any significant increase… The risk is minor. When you look at the data on myocarditis after the vaccine, certainly in younger people under forty, one of the recent publications suggested it probably is even maybe 28 times more frequent. But let's give a caveat here, Joe… 2394.0 2397.4 It can be, in a way, comparing apples and oranges. 2396.6 2413.5 So, the vaccine myocarditis in general, what's diagnosed when people are admitted to hospital, isn't the same as viral myocarditis which traditionally… About a third of those people who get it will die when they get viral myocarditis. 2412.9 2451.2 A third will have some impairment of heart muscle pump function, and a third will have, you know, some kind of breathlessness, not feel well, go to the hospital, and everything will normalize within a space of a few weeks, and they'll live a normal long happy life. With the viral… with the vaccine myocarditis stuff, it's a little bit more… What concerns me more is that a lot of people will get some mild initial issue with the vaccine, inflammation of the heart muscle, but probably through other mechanisms of the vaccine, later on, can suddenly have arrhythmias and suddenly drop dead. And I suspect many of these athletes unexpectedly dropping dead have got some subconical myocarditis… 2451.7 2457.7 Even if, let's just say for argument's sake, so… Even if covid 2458.4 2471.6 myocarditis is more common than other viral myocarditis, right? May well be true. Let us say it's true, for argument's sake. That doesn't mean that taking the vaccine is going to protect you. There's no data saying it's going to protect you from 2472.0 2478.8 covid myocarditis, and actually it may be additive, it may make things worse… 2479.4 2482.6 So, if you've had covid and you have natural immunity… 2483.5 2495.3 One bit of research revealed, if you have the vaccine after having natural immunity, certainly within the first three months you are almost three times more likely to get side effects. 2495.8 2498.8 So, two different discussions are going on here. 2497.9 2500.9 One is how common is covid myocarditis? 2499.9 2502.2 It is fine, let's establish that. 2501.3 2505.4 The question is, does the vaccine protect you from it… 2505.1 2518.0 or make things worse? And almost certainly, with all we know now when it comes to heart disease or the issue of myocarditis or heart attacks, the vaccine is… You know, the cure is worse than the disease 2521.1 2522.2 2523.4 2527.1 Do you know how many people try to get me to get vaccinated after I got sick? 2526.8 2539.8 It was stunning. Smart people, people whom I knew very well, including doctors, including Sanjay Gupta… They were telling me that it would give me initial protection… And I remember being 2540.7 2557.4 so confused, because I had known at that point there were already studies showing that natural immunity… It was very disputed because it was against the narrative. But natural immunity was several times better at protecting you from additional infection 2557.8 2565.9 And my friend, who's a brilliant man, who is very much a vaccine proponent, said yeah, but you get more protection. 2565.3 2569.3 And I said don't ??? Man, I got over this in three days. 2569.7 2572.5 Like what… What are you saying? 2571.6 2590.2 I've been sick from the flu for longer than that. I'm very fortunate, and then I have access to good health care and medicine and I'm very healthy, and I work out every day, and I take a lot of vitamins, and I do a lot of other things for my health, sauna and cold plunge, all these different things. 2589.2 2590.9 I'm very healthy. 2590.0 2592.5 I work at it, all the time. 2593.7 2600.5 So, this thought that I'm going to take a chance on something that I didn't take in the first place because 2600.9 2604.5 the vaccine that I was supposed to… Euh, let me tell you my story. 2604.7 2613.0 The UFC (Ultimate Fighting Championship) had allocated a certain number of doses of the Johnson & Johnson vaccine for all of their employees. 2613.8 2623.2 We were operating during the pandemic, in the heat of the pandemic, and we would do these audience-less events, so there would be no audience. 2622.2 2647.8 It would just be the staff. Everybody would be tested, you would be tested before you got on your flight, and you'd be tested again when you got there. They had an amazing bubble, amazing covid bubble, and occasionally a crew member would test positive, shut everything down, or not a crew member rather but a corner member of, like one of the fighters' groups, that fighter would no longer be able to compete, even if they tested negative. 2647.1 2656.0 So, they were really rigorous about this… So, they said, hey, you know, the vaccine's out and we have a bunch of it. 2655.4 2657.4 Do you want to take it? 2656.5 2658.5 They didn't mandate it. 2657.6 2660.1 They just asked me. I said sure. 2659.5 2675.2 I said I'm coming in for the fights, and we would do these at the apex centre, which is a very small arena the ufc has constructed, where they do some of their smaller events at. So, I go there, I call this guy who's the head of the thing, and I say, hey, 2675.4 2678.7 I'm here, can I get the vaccine before the show? 2678.2 2681.6 And he said, yeah, let me get right back to you. 2680.8 2682.5 We'll set that up. 2681.7 2684.9 So, he calls me back, and says, okay there's an issue. 2684.2 2689.4 We have to do it at the clinic. Can you come back on Monday? 2688.5 2698.4 A. And I said I can't, busy, I have to go back. I go back to Texas. But there's another event coming up in the future. 2697.5 2699.3 I'll be back here again. 2698.4 2709.9 I'll just come a day earlier, and I'll just get the vaccine. During that period of my return, two people I knew got strokes, and they pulled the vaccine. 2709.4 2737.1 So, they pulled the Johnson & Johnson vaccine, and then I went “Wow!” So, from all that I knew about Vioxx — because I had a friend who had taken Vioxx and gotten a stroke — and I knew about the court case, I hadn't had the conversation with john abrams and yet, but I was very aware of the deception and very aware of how they hit the data and then they knew about it in advance they knew it was gonna cause these problems… So, I started getting nervous. 2736.2 2769.0 I started getting, and then I started talking to different physicians and doctors who would devise these immunity-boosting protocols, and this is how you prevent viral infections, and I heard of the force of zinc and IV, vitamins, and this… And I was like, I don't know, man, I don't know… I want to ride this out. So now, now I'm really concerned and confused… And then I had a few friends that had gotten it, and some friends had got it really bad, and then some friends had just had nothing. 2768.4 2781.6 I mean nothing! Like one of my friends, she got tested because she had to go somewhere for a wedding — I believe it was the Virgin Islands — and so, she had to get tested to fly… 2782.2 2784.3 And… Oh my god, you're positive! 2784.2 2786.2 What? I'm positive? 2785.6 2786.9 Like, yeah… 2787.2 2796.0 Your pcr has tested you positive for — and this is the early days of PCR — they did multiple cycles, and then they were doing… What were they doing? 40, originally?
Mmmh… 2797.6 2810.9 And then she got tested again, she was positive, and she never had a single symptom. And then I started looking at how many asymptomatic people there were, and they were saying something that never like 60 per cent of people were asymptomatic, like what is this? 2809.9 2813.7 Is this gonna kill everybody, or is this nothing? Like, what is this? 2812.9 2818.0 And then someone else would get it and they'd get really sick and they'd be fucked up for a couple of weeks. 2817.2 2822.5 So, I was very… I was not committed one way or the other. 2821.6 2843.1 I was still on the fence about this, but as time went on, I just sensed the fuckery. I sensed the propaganda. It was just some so many people were trying to coerce you. Celebrities like Arnold Schwarzenegger saying fuck your freedom, take it, fuck your freedom, everybody was telling you to take it. 2842.2 2854.7 And I was like… Man, this seems like a cult, this seems like something's going on… But I didn't want to dismiss medicine. I didn't want to dismiss the whole thing. What disturbs the shit outta me is that after I got better, 2855.3 2862.9 CNN, msnbc, all these mainstream news things are mocking me for taking horse medication. 2862.8 2883.2 They said, “He took horse medication, he took horse dewormer…” Like literally taking a drug that's on the world health organization's list of essential medicines, literally taking a drug that's been prescribed billions of times, taking a drug from… that was invented by the guy who won the Nobel prize for inventing that drug 2883.4 2894.5 That one has one of the best safety profiles of any known drug… But it's generic, and it's cheap, was really cheap… And I didn't just like that. 2893.5 2899.6 I listed a bunch of other things I took Z-pack, monoclonal antibodies 2899.0 2902.9 I had IV vitamin infusions multiple days in a row. 2902.2 2906.4 I got better quickly. Nobody cared that I got better quickly. 2905.5 2908.7 All they cared about was, I didn't get vaccinated. 2907.8 2910.5 What's the best way to shame him? 2909.8 2916.2 Let's point to this. One thing that he took, and mocked this person for taking this foolish medication. 2915.5 2946.4 They even changed the colour of my face on CNN. They put a video up of me saying that I had cancelled shows. dave chappelle and I had a big concert coming up that weekend, and I said we have to postpone it because I have covid… But in the videos, I feel fine, I had covid three days ago, I had one bad day, the second day, I felt pretty good today, I feel great, and all they wanted to talk about, constantly, every hour, was me taking horse dewormer! It was in Rolling Stone. 2945.6 2960.4 It was in all these things, horse dewormer… Rolling Stone had an article, gunshot victims are waiting in line to get the hospital because so many people are overdosing from horse dewormer… Hundred per cent… printed in the Rolling Stone. 2959.6 2962.4 Not only that, but they used an image. 2961.7 2963.8 This is Oklahoma. 2963.0 2964.9 They used an image. 2964.0 2967.4 This is supposedly in the summer that this is happening. 2966.6 2972.0 They used an image of a bunch of people waiting in line, wearing winter coats 2972.6 2975.1 because that wasn't from that. 2974.3 2976.1 That was from that. 2975.1 2978.7 I believe they were waiting in line to get vaccinated for the flu. 2978.1 2983.3 There was another stock photograph they used, the people waiting in line at the hospital. 2982.4 2985.9 They had nothing to do with horse dewormer. 2985.2 2997.2 This is tweeted by Rachel Maddow, this was tweeted by many online prominent influencers, and journalists like: “Look at these fools taking this horse dewormer!” 2997.6 3031.6 And it was until I read Robert Kennedy's book The Real Anthony Fauci that I got a sense that this is a playbook that they have used forever. They offer one solution, this one solution is patented, this one solution is controlled by these pharmaceutical companies, and it's very expensive, and they make a fuckload of money from it… Whereas anything that's off-label, anything generic is dismissed. They rigged the tests to make it look like they'll give you far more like what they did with hydroxychloroquine. 3030.7 3039.3 I mean, I don't even want to go into this, you can read it in the book, but my whole journey on this is like, first of all, how did I find myself in this? 3038.4 3039.6 Right? 3038.7 3058.2 I'm a comedian and a cage-fighting commentator. How am I having these discussions… How am I on CNN all the time? And all they're doing is mocking a medication that I took very deceptively… No, out not lying, not just deceptively, just out not lying saying that I took veterinary medicine. 3058.2 3080.4 It was so strange, so strange to be in the centre of that. And also to be someone who got over it very quickly, where there was no discussion. There was no like, hey, joe rogan got over this quickly, what is he doing differently than most people that had covid and had terrible outcomes? There was none of that. There was no real concern. 3079.5 3082.7 Okay, is he doing something that we could all do? 3082.0 3093.1 Maybe some people like Aaron Rogers, who is allergic to one of the key components of the mRNA vaccine… Literally, he is allergic to it. 3092.3 3093.9 He takes it. 3093.0 3095.1 It could be bad for him. 3094.3 3097.5 So, isn't there something those people can do? 3096.7 3098.7 There wasn't even that. 3098.0 3102.5 It was just mockery and shame, and it was also 3103.5 3129.7 very distorted understanding of the actual landscape. They thought they were CNN, and CNN is huge! CNN is the news. CNN is a gigantic corporation, they have a big building, a whole deal, a giant sign… They didn't understand that this podcast is ten times larger than them, and it was exposed during that whole thing, where they just made this terrible chess move. They just ran out in the middle with their king and 3130.6 3134.2 that's how I found myself in the middle of all this. 3133.3 3157.2 That's how I found myself having conversations with peter mccullough and robert malone, and now you, and a lot of other people, john abramson, a lot of other, brett weinstein, a lot of very intelligent people that weren't crazy… There weren't tinfoil hot conspiracy theorists or QAnon believers, they were just intelligent people that had looked at all the data, and it said I think we're being lied to… 3159.1 3161.9 How do you feel about it now, looking back? 3161.1 3167.0 I'm so glad I didn't take it!
But in terms of the backlash that you got, Joe…
It's great!
Yeah, it's great… 3166.0 3168.3 It exposed them.
Absolutely. 3167.5 3170.9 Exposing CNN, everyone who did it is gone now. 3170.3 3172.6 ??? 3172.4 3182.3 ??? Jean McCarthy turned down ???
And she was dogmatically, even in an evangelical way, saying that you're not going to get infected if you get the vaccine. 3181.4 3187.9 I mean, has she accepted that she was wrong?
She has buried her head in the sand… Well, she has never said a word about it. 3187.0 3189.2 You talk about the corporate playbook. 3188.3 3190.4 You know, you're absolutely right. 3189.5 3199.4 This is… and, yeah, there's a framework of how big corporations ??? their power, and part of that, obviously, is the political environment, and that's another issue, right? 3198.5 3203.5 Why do politicians take so much money from big corporations? Why are they allowed to do that? 3202.5 3212.8 All political parties certainly, both Democrats and the Republicans, take money from big pharma. That's unacceptable. Capturing the preference shaping, capture of the media 3213.3 3220.8 You know, philanthropic organizations like Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation capturing the knowledge environment… So, funding medical education, sponsoring 3221.2 3241.0 doctors, conferences… You've got the limited liability of the legal environment. Then you've got something called “opposition fragmentation.” So, that means essentially attacking and smearing those who are calling out their bullshit, who are questioning the narrative. And you are caught in that show, but I'm sure you know this… 3241.4 3252.0 Take it as a backend compliment, because the fact that the mainstream media went for you in that way, probably orchestrated by pharma, I have no doubt, behind the scenes, in some way directly or indirectly 3252.3 3256.7 meant that they were worried about what you were saying, and the people that were hearing it. 3256.1 3291.1 And I also, because I've been in the space of an activist for a long time, with the whole ??? stuff, you know… In some ways, people say to me, Aseem, how are you doing with all of this stuff coming out with a vaccine? I had colleagues saying to me you might lose your medical license, and I said, well, the truth is more important. But also, compared to what I went through with statins joe I don't undermine it… This is a walk in the park… As soon as I got attacked in the guardian in the times, I saw that as a sign of progress, you know, because Gandhi said first they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win… 3292.5 3297.5 So, what you did was tremendous. And in fact, it's interesting… 3298.1 3306.6 It sounds like there was some… Your intuition, ultimately, is what led you to not have come by with, obviously, those people who had strokes. 3305.7 3317.1 So, there was something that made you a little bit reluctant to jump out…
Not initially! Initially, I was like, oh, I was ready, I was… Do you remember the phone call? I was like, hey, give it to me. 3316.3 3317.7 I'm here. 3317.0 3320.0 Well, I thought of it like a flu shot. 3319.0 3321.3 I thought of it like everything else. 3320.4 3321.9 I thought it. 3321.1 3345.4 You know, I've always been very pro-vaccine, but people like…
Me too, me too. But people like ??? well. I honestly think a lot of this is grounded in ignorance and the illusion of knowledge. So, what happened was, many doctors and the public were then sold on this new phenomenon called hybrid immunity: if you've had covid and you have the vaccine, you have extra immunity. 3344.5 3370.1 I think it was a way to get people vaccinated…
Absolute bullshit, Joe, honestly, and that was published, I think, in The Lancet, and that makes me think about something else… You know, I think if we start from a position, and it may sound quite extreme, but this comes from somebody I call “the Stephen Hawking in medicine”, John Ioannidis… If we start from this position of “most published research findings are false”… 3370.5 3386.9 Right? And the greater the financial interests, the less likely the research findings are to be true… If we start from there, then we get to maybe have a better understanding, a more precise understanding of what we should consider reliable, and… 3387.1 3399.5 The Lancet… The irony was this, this publication of hybrid mutants was in The Lancet… Richard Horton is the editor of The Lancet, and for all intents and purposes I met him a few times, I think he's a good guy, he came to my talk in London… 3399.7 3413.0 He published a piece in 2015, just to highlight all the symptoms that we are suffering at the moment… The downstream effects of the psychopathic determinants of health, right? 3412.3 3416.4 He published a paper in 2015, where he had attended 3417.4 3440.5 a meeting organized by the Welcome Trust in the UK, of some of the top scientists in the world. He said it was Chatham House Rules, he wasn't naming who these people were, but he did say they were very eminent medical scientists… And in this editorial — you can look at it online — he said, from this discussion, one of the lines was, possibly half of the published medical literature may simply be untrue… 3441.2 3450.4 And he concluded by saying science has taken a turn to what — this is the editor of The Lancet! — science has taken a turn towards darkness… 3450.6 3461.2 But who's going to take the first step to clean up the system? By this stage, with the statin saga and other things that were going on, I 3461.8 3487.6 tried to lobby, I went to parliament, I spoke to people, I spoke to some very prominent politicians, I went to the European Parliament, I said the situation is so bad that we need an inquiry… Honest doctors can no longer practice honest medicine… And, coming back to what we said earlier, I think the whole covid vaccine saga, with all these ridiculous things like you're more likely to get side effects if you've got natural immunity, yet people were being told about hybrid immunity, 3488.3 3490.0 the fact that 3490.7 3494.2 there was coercion, that there were mandates, the fact that 3494.4 3500.1 they made so much money out of something that it's so poorly efficacious, yet has such big side effects. 3499.2 3501.3 I think this is our moment, Joe… 3500.6 3502.9 Honestly, this is the moment. 3503.2 3512.0 We expose the whole system and then we rebuild…
Well, that would not be possible if it wasn't for courageous people like you! 3512.4 3551.1 So, thank you, thank you for sticking your neck out, for all that you've done, for being so eloquent and so articulate about this, and being so knowledgeable… And your ability to recall and express this in clear terms… It's so needed, so powerful, and I really appreciate you very much.
Thank you for being a warrior for the truth, because you're not afraid of having these conversations, and even continuing to have these conversations, even after all of that debacle with Spotify and Robert Malone. And I remember watching it and just thinking, this is just unbelievable… 3550.4 3560.4 You know, the BBC had a commentator on, saying that joe rogan interviewed known anti-vaxxer, Robert Malone… And I thought, what? 3560.0 3575.3 … He had the vaccine, he was involved in the original technology of the development of…
patents, and the creation of mRNA vaccine technology, and he was vaccinated, and he had a horrific side effect from the vaccine… 3575.5 3588.0 And that's what sort of radicalised him… Thank you very much, I really appreciate you! Please tell people about your social media, and your website, so they can find more…
Sure, on Twitter 3587.2 3590.3 I'm Dr Aseem Malhotra, my website is 3589.5 3594.4 https://doctoraseem.com, instagram @lifestylemedicinedoctor and… 3594.6 3596.5 Yeah, that's about it. 3595.5 3607.8 And, you know, when people see the podcast, and they're interested of course in our documentary film, we're going to be interviewing the likes of John Abramson, Rita Redberg — she's an editor of John Potter Medicine — Jay Bhattacharya… 3607.8 3621.8 Some really big names in American health care, very credible people… Really to do the most important and, I think, the best documentary ??? exposing all this commercial corruption, but also giving solutions… 3621.8 3629.0 Well, when it comes out, we'll be happy to come over…