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0.1 3.0 Did you have any adverse effects?
2.4 3.9 I did!
4.3 5.7 I did…
6.9 25.8 and, again, I didn't fully appreciate it at the time, but now I know the mechanism of harm, and it makes sense. I'm actually within time very much into my fitness, Joe. I've been like, you know, captain of sports teams at school, university, I'm an obsessive exerciser, like every day, you know, I don't feel good if I haven't gone to the gym and done something almost every day.
25.3 35.6 I started noticing within a few weeks that my energy levels started to get depleted quite significantly. My sleep was disturbed, and then I went into clinical depression.
35.8 38.6 I was diagnosed with clinical depression,
38.8 49.7 I didn't take any pills. It was probably much more moderate over a few months.
So, when you say diagnosed with clinical depression, what's the parameters, like how is that defined?
49.4 61.6 Yeah, so in clinical depression you usually have to have a number of symptoms persistent for at least two weeks, so these are things like something called early morning awakening, low mood,
61.9 63.7 lack of energy,
64.7 66.9 negative thoughts for the future.
66.0 71.7 There's lots of different criteria, and one of my family friends, actually a psychiatrist,
71.9 89.6 and I spoke to him about it, and, you know, he said yeah, yeah, this is depression, so, yeah… So, but the one thing I noticed more than anything else is my energy levels were… I couldn't like… I'm a very active energetic guy, and I just couldn't leave the house, I didn't leave the couch, I was completely depleted
90.1 97.4 And what do you think? You believe it is a side effect of the vaccine, but what's the mechanism?
96.7 111.8 Well, we know now, one of the problems with the vaccine is that the spike protein — and there are different theories around this — from the vaccine that's injected into the arm gets distributed throughout the body and can be there for up to four months.
112.3 121.9 And what happens is, it causes either direct — and there's published data on this — direct toxic effect on the tissues, or an autoimmune reaction…
121.0 129.8 ??? the brain, the heart, the kidneys, the liver, the ovaries and the testes. And that's probably the mechanism of action.
128.8 146.6 And this is not, you know, interestingly, one of their side effects from a World Health Organization endorsed list which I reference in my peer-reviewed paper, which we'll talk about later… actually puts in psychosis as one of the side effects of the vaccine.
145.7 150.3 And there are case reports, and people who went psychotic actually because of it.
149.7 152.3 A significant number?
152.4 176.5 Well, we don't know. We don't know the exact numbers, but one of the real analyses of Pfizer's own trial by independent researchers, published in General Vaccine… One of these in the clinical trial itself… One of the severe adverse effects in the clinical trial was psychosis, at least in one patient.
So, for you with your case, how long did you suffer from these symptoms?
176.8 178.5 About three months
177.6 192.4 I mean, I went to a psychologist I had called. I didn't want to take pills, so I went to a psychologist. I had cognitive behavioural therapy. I started to just focus on going back to the basics: getting good sleep, resting etc.
191.9 194.1 and I came out of it.
193.1 203.7 You know, I came out of it slowly. I saw my energy levels back, that took about three months, three to four months.
Did you experience any cardiology issues?
203.3 206.7 Was there anything with your heart rate?
205.9 209.4 Was there anything with your immune system?
209.1 212.1 No, no I didn't. I had two doses.
211.1 213.3 I didn't get any of that stuff.
212.4 214.1 No, I didn't.
215.0 217.4 But then, what happened was…
218.1 228.0 Just when I'm coming out of the clinical depression, starting to feel better, and I told my Dad about it… — You know, my Dad was, you know, we were very very close, so he knew everything that was happening —
227.9 253.4 One of the things, by the way… When people go into clinical depression, one of the symptoms is suicidal ideation. As in thoughts about committing suicide, that's actually one of the symptoms. And I remember going for a walk with him, I was feeling so low… And, you know, I went up to visit him in Manchester and I just said to him, I said, yeah
253.7 256.0 I'm having thought of… just
256.3 259.9 going and jumping in front of a car…
260.1 284.0 It was just fleeting. I wasn't going to do it, but I knew that I was that depressed that, I was even having that thought entering my mind… But anyway, I mean, I'm a resilient guy… I just wrote, and I was going to get better, I just had hope, and I got better slowly with time, and when I came out of it, that's when, you know… A real sort of tragedy hit me again
285.4 288.8 because I and my Dad were still also mourning the loss of my Mom.
287.9 292.5 It had only been about two and a half years since my Mom died, and
292.9 304.0 I'll never forget this, July the 26th, five p.m. twenty twenty one, my Dad called me and he said I feel my ??? …
304.0 332.5 And, in medicine, eighty per cent of your… If you're a good doctor, eighty per cent of your diagnosis comes from the history. If you listen to your patient, then you will get the diagnosis just from that discussion. If you know from symptoms, you know, you can usually… And he said, and what he described sounded cardiac, which is typically … He's a doctor, but he was obviously a little bit concerned. I said tell me, buddy, I said how bad is it out of ten, he said like six out of ten, feeling a bit sweaty, I've got an ache in the centre of my chest… I said is it going anywhere?
331.6 339.4 He said it went to both shoulders, and for me I was like, okay, didn't sound like an over-massive heart attack, but it was concerning. I said how long have you had it for?
338.6 350.4 He said, I've had it for probably at least twenty to thirty minutes. I said okay, I said, Dad, you need to call an ambulance now. I didn't want to scare him. I said you need an ecg straight away right?
349.5 369.2 You need an EKG to see whether this is an acute heart attack. But you need to call an ambulance. And he was reluctant, you know. I don't know why. NHS was under pressure, he didn't want to see, he thought that maybe he was, you know, it was nothing major, and I said no, listen, hopefully, there's nothing major, but you need to see, you need to call the 9 9 9.
368.4 370.5 And he didn't want to do it.
369.6 371.9 So, it was a back-and-forth conversation.
370.9 376.1 Of course, one of his best friends listened to him, he is a doctor, so, I said listen, you needed to go and see Dad.
375.4 385.0 And he was busy with something. He said, listen, I'll call him, and in the end what he did was, he called two of his neighbours who are both doctors, who happened to be home.
384.1 387.2 I think they'd finished work…
387.2 403.9 And, so, I get in the shower. I say, listen, I'm going to get a train to come up. I get in the shower, come out of the shower… I call him back, you know because I was about. I was just changing, getting ready for the train… And there's no answer… I keep calling, no answer…
404.6 415.9 Then one of his neighbours, a doctor, answers the phone, and she's hysterical, and she says, Aseem, your father's had a cardiac arrest and we're doing CPR
416.1 423.7 Now I went into kind of cardiology, trying to take control of the situation, to be as calm as possible and I said, tell me what happened?
422.7 425.9 She said, well, we walked in and we saw him
425.3 427.5 He was a little bit sweaty.
427.0 445.7 My husband, he was there, he'd already called an ambulance, called 9 9 9, and was on the phone, and while he's on the phone to the ambulance my Dad just kills over… Now, Joe, I've done a lot of work, and even published on out-of-hospital cardiac arrests, and what determines survival…
445.5 459.0 And if you are going to have a cardiac arrest, if you are lucky enough to have it, you are super lucky if it's witnessed by two doctors who are gonna do CPR and an ambulance has already been called.
458.3 471.8 And we know the ambulance response times in the UK — and I've published on this stuff — is almost within eight to ten minutes. In these sorts, of course, they will be there and your chances of survival are high in that situation, right?
470.9 478.7 You've got cpr, it's witnessed, and they usually get a defibrillator on you within ten minutes. You've got probably more than a fifty per cent chance of surviving.
479.2 494.4 Ambulance didn't show for thirty minutes… And I remember just face timing them, and they put the cardiac monitor on, there was a flat line, and I said there's nothing to do here… Don't show, you know… They carried on, I said no, to stop, you know, I've led cardiac arrest teams.
493.6 524.5 I know there's no point just jumping, just now there's nothing that we can do here. And it was shocking beyond belief, I couldn't understand it. My Dad was a very fit 73-year-old, you know, he would outwalk… I mean, I consider myself quite athletic, you know, and he would outwalk me when we were going for walks during lockdown. He was very active mentally, he was on TV talking about lockdowns and whatever else… And it didn't make any sense. So I… Two things happened. First and foremost they organised a postmortem, but they then also investigated, how this happened.
523.6 527.1 Why did the ambulance take thirty minutes to get there?
526.7 542.3 And this links back to some of my earlier work in terms of speaking out, and if you like being a whistleblower. So, I get contacted about two weeks later, because I tweeted it out, you know. My Dad was a well-known doctor, it was a big news story in the guardian, you know, the mayor of Manchester was friends with him.
541.4 547.9 I mean my Dad was a wonderful human, you know, we've lost one of the kindest of souls over the earth, and he was that kind of human.
546.9 551.0 He was that well loved and liked by people and…
551.8 567.9 I got a phone call from somebody senior in the health department linked to the government called nhs england… And she was crying. She was a nurse, senior nurse, and she knew my Dad, and she was saying there's something I've got to tell you. I said what is it?
567.0 576.2 She said, the Department of Health, the government, had known for at least several weeks throughout the whole country, that
576.9 587.6 ambulances were not getting anywhere close to their targets for treating people for heart attacks or cardiac arrest, but they had made a decision to deliberately withhold that information.
588.5 593.3 And for me that, you know, that was…
593.7 600.6 That was quite upsetting, because if I had known that I wouldn't have asked him to call an ambulance.
600.2 604.8 You know, the neighbours could… The nearest hospital was like a five-minute drive, Joe.
604.2 630.4 They would've… Somebody would have taken him there, even if he had a cardiac arrest en route they would've been able to get a ???, but I don't… he probably would have survived. So I thought, this is, you know, I need to do something about these people. I need to know because it was still kept hidden. So, I, with a journalist in the UK called Paul Gallagher, with The Eye, well with a great journalist… He then started doing freedom information requests, getting information from the ambulance service, trying to find out what happened et cetera et cetera.
629.4 636.3 And we determined that this was the case, that there were all these delays, and it had been going on for a long time. And then I wrote an article in The Eye newspaper.
635.8 692.8 It became a BBC news story. But, just before I published it, I contacted a cardiologist who I considered to be one of the good guys, joe, and again I won't name him, it's, I think it's unfair to name him, and I said Prof — I call him prof — I said I just want you to know this is what's happened, happening, you should be aware of this, and I'm gonna get it out to the public, people need to know, this is a big problem… Because it might change things a little bit. If not, at least we highlight the problem and try and find solutions, and people then in these similar situations… One of the interesting things is a nurse that called me and said to me that two weeks earlier, her husband was playing soccer and came back from soccer with chest pain. She didn't even bother calling the ambulance. Said before my Dad had his kind of arrest because she knew it wasn't going to get there, she got him in the car, drove down there the highway, the freeway to the nearest hospital into the emergency department and they diagnosed an acute heart attack and took him for emergency keyhole heart surgery.
692.7 720.0 You know, so, she knew this stuff, and didn't obviously call an ambulance… So, I told this to this professor of cardiology in a text message and, you know, he replied to me, see, I wouldn't publicize this if I were you… You're only going to make yourself enemies and I want to do whatever I can to help you get a job back in the NHS, right? Because by this date I wasn't working in NHS, I was leading private care. And I said, prof, what about our duty to the public and patients?
719.7 722.8 No answer! Why am I telling you this, Joe?
721.9 728.9 Remember, earlier on I talked about these so-called “psychopathic determents of health”
Yes
There is a cultural problem in our profession.
729.2 736.3 Where people are afraid to speak out for their patients even if it's important and true.
735.6 739.6 So, what does medicine become when doctors can't even speak the truth?
739.1 752.4 But I didn't care. For me, this is more important than anything. So, I got this out, and it became a news story, and I was interviewed by the BBC and it was big, you know… And then, after that, all these stories start coming out, you know, I made the so-called injustice visible through the mainstream…
753.0 758.3 But it still bugged me, you know, how did my Dad have a cardiac arrest?
757.3 774.4 So his postmortem findings came back. And two of his three major arteries were severely narrowed, right? Critically narrowed, ninety per cent in what is called the left anterior descending artery, the most important artery to the heart, and the right ??? artery and I thought this is weird…
774.6 801.6 I knew my Dad's lifestyle ??? out, I knew his cardiac history inside out, there was no cardiac history, he had something called a calcium score done a few years earlier, and he had blood flow to his arteries all normal… This is a guy that, only two years earlier on badminton… I was the Manch champion, the school champion in badminton, right? Single's badminton, no ??? played it, but it's a very… If I played basketball for a ??? systemic, it's really heavy. And for the first time in, god knows…
802.0 808.8 probably about thirty years, he beat me in the first game fifty-one, and I was like, my god, how's my Dad beating me here?
807.9 810.4 And, you know, we were very competitive with each other.
809.5 827.9 I mean we paid for an hour, and almost at the end of the ??? I got back, and it was like ???, I ruptured my Achilles, right? It was that bad, and I was about to tweet and just say I'm really proud of my 73 old Dad, he literally almost beat me in badminton, right? He was that fit. So, it didn't make any sense…
828.5 832.3 So, it's ??? and I'm just… Okay, what was it?
831.4 833.3 Was he really stressed?
832.4 833.6 You know?
833.2 840.2 Stressed, by the way, so, this psychological stress can cause these sorts of issues to the heart, but again I didn't buy it…
841.6 843.0 And then…
843.4 908.0 October November 2021, I get alerted from a cardiologist friend of mine who's one of the smartest cardiologists in the country, I think. I mean he's a brilliant mind, and he sends me an abstract from Circulation Cardiology Journal done by Stephen Gundry who's a cardiopathic surgeon, I think, based in new york. And I read this abstract, and I'm like “Wow!” And what he found was in — he'd been following up several hundred people in their fifties with a test that he does, called a PULS score, which correlates the blood test and it measures markers of inflammation in blood ???, which had been validated and correlated with heart disease risk and heart attack risk. And what he found was that within eight to ten weeks of these patients taking the Moderna or Pfizer vaccine, mRNA vaccines, those markers of inflammation in the blood had increased to a level where their risk of a heart attack went from 11 per cent at five years, just within two months, to 25 per cent…
908.5 917.4 which is a huge jump, like, to give it context… If I, today, decided I was going to smoke forty cigarettes a day, eat junk food,
918.0 920.9 you know, hammer it all night, not sleep,
921.4 923.3 stop exercising…
922.4 926.9 I couldn't even get it close to increasing my risk that much in two months!
926.7 934.0 Now, it's one bit of data, and of course, in medicine — which we've talked about, is not an exact science —
933.1 940.5 never rely on just one bit of data… You look at other bits of data as well, and what kind of picture does all the information start painting?
940.8 978.2 So, at that point I was like, okay, now I can understand this something that fits with what happened to my Dad but, if this is real, this is going to be a problem, because I know you're essentially… for populations of people who may not know they've got a little bit of ??? that isn't going to ??? and ??? it for twenty years, suddenly you're going to get an increase in heart attacks much more quickly… Then, what happened was, I got contacted, and all happened within a few weeks. A journalist, I think it was from the telegraph or the Times, I can't remember, asked me to comment on the fact they'd been an unexplained increase by 25 per cent, an increase in heart attacks in Scotland and hospitals, that people can't explain. So, doctors watched things going on…
977.4 1024.1 And then the third thing that happened was… I was… A whistleblower from a prestigious university in the UK contacted me, a cardiologist, and he said to me — he was very upset — he said, it seems somehow I've got to tell you, I don't know what to do, but I need to tell you this, and said what is, he said… This research group had accidentally found, with the use of coronary imaging techniques — so, these specialised high-tech scans of the arteries of the heart — in the vaccinated, there was increased inflammation of the arteries of the heart, and it wasn't there in the unvaccinated… which again would increase heart attack risk. But they had a closed meeting and they said we're not going to publish these findings or talk about it further, because it may affect our funding from the drug industry…
1027.9 1034.7 And I, at this stage, Joe, I was like, okay, now I've got three bits of data, there's enough here to, at least, ask the question.
1034.4 1057.0 So, I got one of the more semi-mainstream news channels in the UK, it's called gb news. And I went to them, I said listen, something I want to talk about, they said, you know, I've done stuff with them before, and basically, and they said, come on, let's talk about it, so I talked about this on gb news, and it went viral, you know… And I didn't say stop the vaccine or whatever else, I said, listen, there's a signal here that needs to be looked into.
1056.4 1064.9 We've got these unexplained heart attacks happening, we've got this evidence from Circulation, I've been told by a whistleblower…
1064.7 1067.2 Let's look at this a bit further…
1067.1 1068.3 And…
1068.6 1071.6 What happened then was just so bizarre.
1071.8 1078.4 It was almost around the same time… I don't know if it was after, maybe, it may have been just after that show…
1078.0 1107.1 Our secretary for health, sahaja jabid, gets up in parliament and says I've decided to pass, we need to pass legislation to ensure that all healthcare workers get vaccinated. And if they don't, they lose their job… Now, we've never done that in this country, I know you've had maybe mandates for other things, we never mandate any medical intervention in the UK, we've never done that before. I thought, this is all I said, right? Now, first and foremost by this stage joe we knew it wasn't stopping transmission, right?
1106.4 1109.3 It probably wasn't going to stop infection either.
1108.4 1110.7 You know, the narrative kept changing.
1109.8 1115.2 We were told it's going to stop infection, now it's going to prevent you from having severe disease… You know, it kept changing.
1114.7 1118.3 I said, this should be an individual choice…
1118.5 1142.8 Health care workers are not protecting their patients by being vaccinated. They may be protecting themselves, we'll get answered, we'll get answered that data shortly, but they're not protecting their patients. Therefore, there's no reason, you know, we shouldn't mandate this. So, then I literally launched into this… I was still interested in, at that point, getting mainstream media interviews, because people wanted to talk about what happened to my Dad and the ambulance delays… So, I went on BBC News and I got it in there.
1141.9 1146.6 I said, by the way, guys, you know, because it's ??? watch
1145.6 1151.6 what's behind our healthcare crisis? And well, you know, we've been talking about this for years.
1150.7 1154.9 We've not tackled prevention, we've gotten this obesity epidemic, right?
1154.3 1159.4 And that's putting more and more stress on the system and has been for a long time without any more resources.
1158.6 1167.7 We've got an overmedicated population, we've not dealt with that. Up to one in five people over the age of 65 are hospitalised, Joe, because of side effects, right?
1167.1 1183.6 I said, but there's something else we should talk about as well. We could lose eighty thousand jobs in the NHS if we mandate this vaccine and people decide not to take it, and that will be a disaster… But it's not scientific and it's not ethical… And then they would kind of cut me off at the end… And then I was on Sky News… So, I kept doing this.
1183.0 1185.1 And then I thought, you know what?
1184.3 1189.7 I don't want to just believe in public health advocacy. I'm somebody also that does things behind the scenes.
1188.7 1190.5 I meet politicians,
1189.7 1195.2 I've worked with people in very senior positions in the health service in health policy,
1194.3 1203.1 I've had rows with those people, I believe in dialogue and conversations, giving people the benefit of the doubt, and understanding they may be ignorant or have the illusion of knowledge.
1202.2 1230.6 Let's have a conversation with them, so I call the chair of the British Medical Association. I was in America at the time, I had come… because I live alone now, right? So, I lost all my family, and my closest family are in California. And they said Aseem, just come and spend a couple of months with us… So, I get to the States around the end of November twenty twenty one, and the first thing that happens is, I get an email from a very prestigious medical body I'm associated with, I won't name them… And they say
1229.7 1256.3 dr. Malhotra we've received a number of anonymous complaints from doctors that you are spreading antivax disinformation… Purely upon that interview and gb news, where I said there's a signal, we need to look into it, and that's all I did… So, it's like, Jesus, you know, really? And it was obviously stressed I had to respond, and it took a month, and they left me with a warning at that point. But I realised something else was going on here. So, I called up the chair of the bma, the same Chaand Nagpaul.
1256.1 1268.3 Well, I said, Chaand, I need to talk to you. And he listened for two hours. I talked him through every bit of data that I'd come across, and things about the vaccine… He said the same, he said I'll be honest with you, he said:
1268.6 1276.7 “Nobody I've spoken to in health policy, my colleagues, appears to have critically upraised the evidence as well as you have…”
1276.9 1283.0 “Most of them are getting their information on the benefits and harms of the vaccine from the bbc…”
1284.7 1289.8 Wow!
Now that is replicated!
1290.0 1301.3 If you remember joe Rochelle Wolensky, a former chair of the CDC? She said in an interview with the director of the CDC that her optimism about the vaccine came from CNN (Cable News Network).
1302.0 1305.3 Right? And that CNN News report, right?
1304.5 1313.7 that she was referring to joe was almost verbatim a reproduction of Pfizer's own press release
1314.9 1318.1 Well… It's like great journalism!
1317.3 1319.9 Well, it tells you something else.
1319.0 1330.4 I think that we shouldn't underestimate the impact of the mainstream media in influencing people's decision-making. Even people who you think should have better information or know better.
Right…
1330.2 1361.2 Right? And that's what it showed. So, he said, listen, okay Aseem, I'm with you, the medical colleges in the bma anyway didn't support the mandate. So ??? about it, they weren't proactive, I was probably one of the… There were a few campaigning doctors in the UK, and an organisation called The Together Declaration got involved in it. And I went on the full offensive, you know, through social media, through mainstream media, and said we need to get ??? I had people, nurses and doctors, almost in tears contacted me, who were unvaccinated, and I said, listen, hold firm! You know, they passed this in parliament, and most of the MPs voted for it!
1360.5 1363.2 It was gonna be in the legislation.
1362.6 1375.9 And I said ???, this is not gonna happen. Do not get vaccinated if you don't want to get vaccinated. And literally, last minute, like a week before, this is going to be coming into effect, where people would lose their jobs.
1375.7 1408.4 The chair of Obama was speaking to sagi jabid after speaking to me out, and all these people campaigning, and we got it overturned…
Wow!
And, you know, for me one of the most satisfying things I've been involved with, is helping to save in effect these tens of thousands of jobs in the NHS. Especially because it wasn't scientific, it wasn't ethical to do so…
And because it wasn't scientific, and because there was, now, evidence that it didn't stop transmission and it probably wasn't going to stop infection.
1408.6 1414.8 What was the narrative that you were given as to why they should still be promoted?
1414.2 1415.3 Well…
1416.7 1421.4 There wasn't really anything. So, they didn't make any sense to me.
1421.6 1432.2 The chief medical officer was still saying the same thing though, so he was still tweeting out, even before they decided they were going to… Even after they overturned this
1432.7 1459.1 mandate decision for health care workers. He was tweeting out, the best thing you can do as a doctor to protect your patients is get vaccinated with a cover vaccine…
Yeah
It didn't make any sense, it was almost like, to be honest, this was the kind of… The narrative that was coming out was essentially the narrative of the drug companies, but coming through so-called credible voices. It wasn't in keeping with the evidence… It didn't make any sense…
1459.5 1474.6 So, yes, then I decided at that point I'd started to really critically appraise the data properly. I thought there's a big mountain to move here, it's not an easy one, you know, I've just gone on TV and questioned about heart side effects, and suddenly one of these medical bodies I'm affiliated with is, you know…
1475.0 1507.9 coming after me. So, I thought, you know what, I'm gonna do my best to what can I do here… Historically, Joe. over the last ten years I've published a lot in different medical journals, and I only write stuff which I think is important in disseminating the truth. Something I believe is important for the public and for patients, and even doctors. And almost all that every time I publish something — and I kind of became good at this as I've got into the mainstream news — whether it's about the harms of excess sugar or the statin thing or cholesterol or low carb diets, so whatever, or the harms potentially of vegan diets, right?
1506.8 1528.7 I've done lots of these things, and I thought, let me try and publish this in the medicals, and I thought carefully like it wouldn't be easy to publish something like this, even if what I'm saying is factually correct. So, I went to a journal called the Journal of Insulin Resistance. It's not well known, but it's a credible journal, and I spoke to the editor. Often you just say, listen, is this something you're interested in, and what do you think?
1527.8 1530.1 Well they no, Aseem, just forget it.
1529.2 1531.5 And she was very open. Right?
1530.6 1539.2 And she was very pro-vax, actually, at the time. She was a bit shocked by what I was telling her… But she respects me, she knows my work over a number of years.
1538.4 1557.8 So, listen, you know, Aseem, let me look at it, and I can at least say that I'll send it for a peer review. Right? There are no guarantees of anything, but I can send it for a peer review. So, send me what you've got. So, I spent several months, I wrote this piece, Joe. It was ten thousand words… That was the other thing, most journals won't accept that many words, and I'd written that, and it was in two parts because I thought…
1558.8 1592.9 people have been so indoctrinated with this narrative. I need to walk them through it, as someone who was vaccinated, who went on Good Morning Britain, right? I'm one of you. I'm not, you know, it'd be less easy to attack me. And to walk them through my journey in understanding how the data, new data had emerged that made us think differently about what we were taught in the beginning… And, to break it down in absolute terms, one of the benefits or one of the harms, my Dad's story was included in that. And then the part two was about how we got it wrong,
1593.9 1598.2 why we got it wrong, and what are the solutions moving forward?
1598.2 1603.4 And this journal also doesn't take money from industry. So, that's why it is non-conflicted.
1602.4 1604.2 It was open access.
1603.3 1605.2 I wanted this to be free.
1604.3 1608.5 A lot of these journal articles are paywalled, you have to subscribe etc.
1607.5 1616.1 So, I wanted it to be free to everybody, that's the reason I went to this journal… Yeah, I have a role. People have somehow attacked me, saying he's on the editorial board and stuff.
1615.4 1623.4 Yeah, I have a role as a kind of advisor this non-paid role, whatever it's, kind of because I've done work on this area, like what kind of articles should we be looking at?
1622.7 1633.6 So, you know, they don't normally accept articles from people who are on the editorial board, but they said, listen, you know, we'll let you do one as a one-off… But the peer review process was very rigorous.
1632.6 1638.3 I've never been through a rigorous peer review back and forth, lots of changes et cetera
1637.3 1638.7 et cetera…
1638.3 1642.3 So, they published this article on September 2022
1644.5 1649.4 And… You know what was… Let me just summarize it, Joe.
1650.4 1652.5 The reality is this:
1653.5 1655.6 In my whole career,
1656.1 1673.4 looking at all of the drugs and knowing about many different drugs that are prescribed, I've never seen something, when you look at the data, which has such poor effectiveness and such unprecedented harms… In my career… It's like nothing I've ever seen before…
1674.8 1688.8 Which was simultaneously promoted heavily
Not just promoted, it is coerced! Mandates! So, the key bit of data — people say, oh, lots of data, cherry picking blah blah…
1689.1 1695.7 Just one bit of data alone should be enough for people to stop and think, oh my god, this is just unbelievable! So,
1695.9 1714.9 in the summer towards the end of last year, the second half of last year, the journal Vaccine peer-reviewed it. This is like the highest-impact medical journal for vaccines, right? They published a reanalysis of Pfizer and Moderna's original double-blinded randomized controlled trials.
1713.9 1724.6 So, This is the level, the highest quality level of evidence. Okay, with all the caveats, the drug industry sponsored all that stuff, right? But still what we call the highest quality level of evidence… Done by independent researchers…
1725.0 1735.9 Joseph Fraiman, from Louisiana, is ??? doctor, clinical data scientist, associate editor of bmj; Peter Doshi, Robert Kaplan from Stanford, right?
1735.0 1765.7 Some very eminent, in terms of “eminence of integrity”, right? I'm not for eminence-based medicine, but… And for people who have the eminence of integrity, right? They published a re-analysis, and what they found was this: in the trials that led to the approval by the regulators — we're going to regulators in a minute — around the world, you were more likely to suffer a serious adverse event from taking the vaccine, hospitalisation, disability, life-changing event than you were to be hospitalised with covid…
1766.0 1768.1 so What that means is…
1768.4 1783.8 It's highly likely this vaccine, mRNA vaccine, should never have been approved for a single human in the first place, and that the rate of serious adverse events, Joe, is 1 in 800, and it's at least 1 in 800 because that just covers the first two months of the trial…
1784.8 1794.1 In general, what happens is, drug companies design trials where they choose people who are less likely to get side effects, so they're generally healthier, right?
1793.0 1806.4 And then, because it's the first two months, and I found a mechanism of harm of accelerated heart disease, like my Dad, died six months after two doses of vaccine, and we have autopsy studies now, showing that that's what can happen several months after…
1808.7 1812.0 It's just… It's beggar's belief, and…
1812.4 1817.2 And that, you know, I published this information, and then it's been an evolution to the question now.
1816.3 1822.2 I think people, what we want to do, as we talk about statins, right? Same sort of thing, same sort of concept.
1821.8 1825.4 What is your individual benefit in absolute terms?
1825.3 1832.8 So, there's a table actually — I shared it with jamie earlier, I don't know if we can bring it up, because I think it'd be ???
1832.2 1835.1 So, the UK government only…
1835.6 1869.7 earlier this year, about two or three months ago, I think this is the first country in the world to publish its substantial data… They released information looking at per million people vaccinated versus per million people unvaccinated by age group, okay, during the omicron strain, right? So, this is UK government data… So, table 4 says numbers needed to vaccinate for prevention of severe hospitalisation, ok, from two versions of Pfizer. So, if you look at their first column, Joe, if you're 70 you have to vaccinate 2,500 people to prevent one person from being hospitalised with severe covid.
1869.9 1880.8 If you're 60, 5700. You start getting at lower age groups, thirty 87,600 for example, if you're 20 to 29, well over 100,000 people.
1879.9 1885.8 I mean, this efficacy level, effectiveness level, is just…
1886.6 1897.2 If it wasn't so serious, it would be laughable.
And this is just to prevent severe hospitalisation…
Yes
Again, it does not stop infection. It does not stop transmission
Absolutely no!
1896.3 1906.4 And so, there is some benefit of preventing severe hospitalisation?
Well, yes, but the thing is this is what is called non-randomised data.
1905.5 1930.0 And remember, earlier on I said to you that if you were unvaccinated, in general, you were at higher risk than people who have the vaccine, some called healthy user bias. Right? So, carl hennegan, who's a director of the Centre of Evidence-Based Medicine in Oxford, and also a general practitioner, talked about the fact that he had a couple of patients who had terminal cancer, for example, and didn't get vaccinated, and then they ended up dying of covid because they were already sicker.
1929.4 1934.3 Well, what I'm saying to you, Joe, this is likely an exaggerated benefit.
1934.5 1955.5 Right, but when you balance that against the harms which are consistent of at least one in 800 after two doses, and there is some evidence that the more doses you have, the higher those harms become, it becomes a no brainer… I mean, if you ask it… Now, if I were to ask a patient, even all the patients, if I give them that information in that way, so, most people would not take it.
1954.8 1966.8 So, there's the informed consent issue, but then there is the fact that we consider vaccines to be completely safe, traditionally. One in 800 is a very very high figure.
1966.7 1969.4 We've pulled other vaccines for much less.
1968.8 1978.2 In 1976, the swine flu vaccine was pulled because it was found to cause a debilitating neurological condition, called guillain barry syndrome, in about one in 100,000 people.
1978.6 1994.2 Rotavirus vaccine was pulled in 1999 to spend it because it was found it caused a form of bowel obstruction in kids in one in 10,000. This is, at least, one in 800, I mean it's a no-brainer… So, the question, then, is… But I will not ??? what's going on there?
1993.9 2003.8 And I think the barrier that we've got, Joe, to deal with, with a lot of people who are not enlightened ??? awake, or familiar understanding this information…
2003.5 2007.7 It's a psychological barrier, it's not an intellectual one…
Mmmh…
2008.5 2011.9 Right? This is willful blindness.
2012.0 2024.0 You know, a concept, a psychological phenomenon which we're all capable of in different circumstances, where human beings turn a blind eye to the truth to feel safe, avoid conflict,
2024.3 2030.9 reduce anxiety, and protect prestige and fragile egos… So, we've got to deal with that, right?
2029.9 2032.5 And we can see this happening, you know…
2033.4 2038.1 Historically, you know, this has happened in many different circumstances.
2038.0 2041.8 Look at Hollywood and harvey weinstein for example, right?
2041.3 2049.6 People kind of knew, but they didn't want to really talk about it, or they didn't want, you know… But eventually, the truth comes out, and then we have to deal with the fallout of it.
2049.5 2053.9 And, you know, the catholic church and child abuse paedophilia, right?
2053.7 2057.9 For many many people knew, but they buried their heads in the sand.
2057.3 2084.8 We're dealing with a very similar psychological phenomenon, but the other phenomenon we've got, and I think we shouldn't underestimate, is the one of fear, right? Just a few weeks ago, Isabel Oaks, who is a journalist in the UK, had access to WhatsApp messages between the secretary for health and other people in the cabinet. And it was the front page of the telegraph newspaper, at the beginning of the pandemic, and one of those messages revealed:
2086.8 2095.1 “We have to frighten the pants of the public” — something along those lines, right?
2094.4 2107.5 So, they wanted to create this fear, and when you're under…
It's enforced compliance…
… to force compliance. And when you're in a state of fear, psychologically, Joe, two things happen. One is you will more like to be controlled, right?
2106.5 2120.5 And that's what they wanted. But, also, it inhibits your ability to engage in critical thinking. And many people are still under fear, and if you… I'm a numbers guy, I think numbers are important.
2119.5 2124.6 I think, when I have conversations with patients I want to break numbers down in a way that they can understand.
2123.8 2131.6 so We all had a very grossly exaggerated fear — many people did, maybe not you, Joe, but many people did — of the virus at the very beginning.
2130.7 2133.0 So, I did in the beginning, yeah.
2132.5 2134.3 One survey in the U.S.
2133.4 2134.5
2133.6 2190.0 suggested that fifty per cent of American adults thought that their risk of being hospitalised with covid was 50%, one in two… When the real figure at that time was about one in 100… In fact, I did a subsequent analysis in my paper, because a lot of my paper also focused on the fact of lifestyle and obesity, and all those things we can do to improve our immune system. And at the very early stages — you know, the Wuhan strain — in the UK, looking at middle-aged people, the risk of hospitalisation if you were an obese sedentary smoker from a poor background, social economic background class, was about one in 350, something like that. If you were active, not overweight, non-smoking, you know, healthy diet, all that kind of stuff, your risk of hospitalisation was almost four to five-fold less, five-fold less, or one in 1500…
2191.3 2201.8 Wow…
Yeah, massive difference. So, again that reinforces…
It is not the way it was described…
No, not at all! But those figures are important, because without understanding the numbers involved,
2202.1 2213.4 the public and doctors are vulnerable to exploitation of their hopes and fears by political and commercial interests…
2214.2 2216.2 And that's what happened.
2217.1 2218.1 Wow! Tss!
2223.0 2227.4 What do you think history is gonna look back on this and learn?
2227.3 2229.6 How is this going to be viewed?
2229.7 2233.2 Do you think that the full narrative is going to get…
2232.4 2255.2 Because this is an extraordinary time… Because, in this extraordinary time, there are options available, like this podcast, where you can go on and you can say these things, and they'll be received by millions of people, and articles will be written, and different shows will take clips from this and discuss it, and it can change narratives…
2255.8 2271.3 Do you think there is any hope that something like this, which was such an event, where… I don't know what the full number of people worldwide who were administered this, do you know what the numbers are?
2271.0 2277.2 I don't know ???…
But it's billions!
Hundred percent…
Billions of people, yeah!
2278.4 2284.9 When we look back at this, in the future, is this a cautionary tale?
2284.6 2287.3 Is this something that you think
2287.6 2290.8 they would like to do again and again and again?
2290.9 2297.4 because the profits have been extraordinary, like, the profits from this…
2296.8 2314.1 This is probably the most profitable thing the pharmaceutical drug companies have ever been involved with, for they are doing, if you talk about the time duration…
Hundred billion dollars Pfizer have made from this vaccine, which in my view should never be ??? for a single human
Not even old people?
2314.2 2319.1 Not even, great question!
Great question!
Yeah, great question…
2319.7 2331.0 So, I think there is a case to be made, Joe, at the very beginning, during the original strain, the Wuhan strain, when it was particularly terrible… that the old people over seventies, and the vulnerable
2331.4 2334.2 may have had more benefit than harm.
2333.4 2347.0 I think that there's a good case to be made there. Okay?
So, there are these old vulnerable people, older people, plus obese people… What about people with immune systems that were compromised already?
2346.2 2350.3 Yes, so… The only problem with the immune system compromised already is that…
2349.5 2354.6 for the effectiveness of a vaccine, you already need to have a reasonably good functioning immune system.
2353.9 2362.6 So, for people who have compromised immune systems, it's a very grey area about how much benefit they get. But let's just say, that's just for argument's sake, say yes.
2362.3 2365.9 The benefits outweighed the harms in those groups.
Okay…
2366.1 2375.4 I think that becomes irrelevant when you've got a serious adverse event rate which is so high which normally will… irrespective, even if the benefits outweigh the harms…
2374.5 2377.5 And also, what about the informed consent side?
2376.8 2405.2 So, let's say, for example, we calculated that actually your benefit from the vaccine and preventing being hospitalised with covid would say, one in 200, right? But then I said to you, Joe, your benefit is about one in 200, but the harm seemed to be, at least early on to the short term harm, to one in 800, at least. Now, we can make an individual choice, but my guess is, and I am in experience with patients, even with that information where still you can argue that the benefits outweigh the harms…
2404.7 2413.0 The harms are so significant in terms of numbers, that most of those people, Joe, would choose not to take the vaccine. Does that make sense?
2412.1 2413.8 It does make sense
2412.9 2414.0 yes.
2413.1 2434.5 And then, also, there's this false narrative that was repeated continuously, continuously during the beginning, which was this was going to stop the infection, this was going to stop you from getting others sick, you were gonna do this for other people, and this was gonna get us out of this… Everybody desperately wanted the pandemic to be over.
2433.6 2444.4 It was a psychological manipulation.
And there was also the emergency use authorisation in America, where they were allowed to distribute this vaccine with…
2445.1 2466.9 no liability… They didn't have to worry at all about being sued for adverse side effects, and they essentially silenced any talk, of any sort of alternative treatment, because if there is a treatment that's offered, there's an effective treatment, then they no longer can justify the emergency use authorisation.
2467.2 2481.9 Absolutely. You know, but this thing, even the limited liability stuff, wasn't publicised. It wasn't in the mainstream line of discussion points in the cnn, saying, you know, just to let everybody know, if you get injured by the vaccine, Pfizer is not liable… Why was that not discussed?
2482.7 2493.0 The whole narrative that has been shaped by these corporate interests is very clear, and…
Well, in the news I'm sure you've seen the corporation videos they brought to you, the Pfizer videos…
2492.5 2499.2 We see anderson cooper brought to by Pfizer and everyone brought to by Pfizer…
Yeah, yeah
2498.6 2501.0 That's… There is your answer!
2500.2 2501.3 Yeah.
2500.6 2505.4 At least, you don't necessarily have that the same way in the UK.
2504.7 2514.5 You have more of a socialised form of medicine, and you don't have advertising for pharmaceutical drugs on television.br> No, we don't.
2513.5 2516.3 We don't. But I think it's more behind the scenes.
2515.4 2521.2 It's like influencers, regulators and stuff, so, in effect, it's still pretty bad.
2520.5 2536.1 You know, the clinical decision-making is more subtly driven by this commercial interest…
Just with who controls grants? and who controls funding? You know, also being ostracised from the community, yeah, and you don't really have a voice.
2535.2 2570.4 I think we're living, I mean, these times are unprecedented, Joe. I've never seen anything like this and, you know, to come back to your original question about how people gonna look at this, I see this as an opportunity, you know, as Einstein said, you know, in every crisis lies an opportunity. I think this is a time when we are literally fighting for humanity, we're fighting to free the world from corporate tyranny. And I think the way we've got here in some ways was predictable, because of that unchecked power. And I think because everybody has been somehow affected by the vaccine, whether they took it or not…
2569.5 2587.1 If they took it, they may either suffer a side effect, or know someone who suffered a side effect, or later on become familiar with the fact that they were kind of conned or duped, in saying they were going to protect other people… Or, if they didn't take the vaccine, they were gaslighted, they couldn't travel, people lost their jobs
2587.4 2607.7 and it's affected everybody pretty much in the world. So, I think this truth, this expose if you like of this truth, will help people understand that actually, and this is what people like me are doing and people like yourself… is really to just highlight that this is a system failure…
2608.3 2609.7 You know, this is…
2610.8 2614.1 We've got here by stealth, we've got here
2614.4 2627.2 because a lot of people don't understand these system failures, that they would not find acceptable, for example, why does the FDA take 65% of its funding from the pharmaceutical industry?
2626.7 2671.2 Why does the regulator in our country — which, by the way, the British Medical Association's chair didn't know until I gave a lecture and was shocked when I told him that 86% of the funding of the mhra in our country comes from the pharma… People would find this unacceptable, but that also means there are solutions. There are solutions moving forward where people can feel more confident in the information they're getting. Even a doctor is likely to be clean, or as clean as possible, and closer to the truth when it comes to knowing the absolute benefits and harms of medications. So, that ultimately means changing the logic we've got here because of unethical, unjust, unscientific laws if you like… And when I look and trace the roots of it all
2672.0 2684.5 this really started, the acceleration of this process started from maybe well-intentioned, I think, neoliberal economic policies adopted by ronald reagan in the eighties, and Margaret Thatcher
2685.7 2732.7 in the UK, 1992, I think it was George Bassinia who then allowed the FDA to take money from the drug industry. Before that, that was essentially through public funding. Academic institutions, most in the UK, now get most of their funding from pharma when it comes to medical research. Before, in the eighties, they didn't. So, I think, when people understand that, you know, John Ioannidis also wrote this great paper, a few years ago, called How to survive the medical misinformation mess, and he talks about the fact in the United States, and you spend almost four trillion, more than four trillion dollars on healthcare, you know, 18 per cent of your GDP… He says that twenty to fifty per cent of healthcare activity in the United States is inappropriate, wasteful, and harms patients.
2731.9 2734.3 Thankfully it gives no benefit.
2733.6 2735.3 And he said
2735.6 2779.6 one of the reasons for, what drives this, is that the first thing is, most publish research, much if not most published research, is unreliable, not useful to policymakers, and not good for patients. But the second bit is most healthcare professionals, most doctors are not aware of this, they're not aware of these system failures, right? Don't make the assumption that your doctor knows about them, and then they lack the critical appraisal skills to understand the evidence and then translate it into a way that patients can understand. And this is part of conditioning. We're not conditioned in medical school to think in these ways about informed consent, about understanding the data properly, it's not a rocket, and it's not difficult, so there needs to be a shift, as well, culturally.
2779.1 2784.6 You know, people need to understand that good health in general doesn't come out of a medicine bottle.
2783.8 2788.8 You know what determines your health or social conditions right there?
2788.5 2799.2 The conditions in which we are born, we grow, we live, we age, we work, understanding the impact of severe psychological stress, and how that can shorten your life span.
2798.3 2799.4 Right?
2798.5 2823.9 So, for example, a very good paper published in Nature 2012 by Elizabeth Blackbum, who was a nobel prize winner, and Elissa S Epel, a psychologist in California was called Too toxic to ignore, and they talked about the impact of psychological stress on genes that control the ageing process and disease. And one of the things that was really startling to me, when I looked at it, is that if you are a mother of a disabled child
2824.4 2829.5 the chronic stress associated with that is the equivalent of ten years of ageing.
2829.7 2855.9 If you're a victim of severe psychological abuse as a child, or sexual abuse, that can on the extreme end knock off twenty years of your lifespan, because of the disease process… What happens to the genes, epigenetics, manifests itself later on. I think these things are important to discuss, Joe, as well, because it helps us also try and think about how we create the conditions in society for everybody, where they have an opportunity
2856.5 2862.7 to be the best version of themselves, and what I mean by that, is to have the optimisation of mental and physical health.
2862.0 2866.4 Now, that brings me to, you know, what is health?
2865.6 2873.2 I'm not a big fan of the World Health Organization of these days because I think they've been corrupted by these commercial entities as well, right?
2872.3 2881.6 You know, most of their funding now comes with strings attached too ??? to Margaret Chan, the former director general of the World Health Organization.
2880.7 2891.7 You know, the second biggest funder of the World Health Organization, you've talked about this before… Bill Gates! Right? He's heavily invested in pharmaceutical industry stocks… McDonald's and Coca-Cola…
2892.0 2901.3 So, the World Health Organization, unfortunately, is not independent. However, let's say something positive about them: they have this great definition of health…
2901.6 2904.9 a state of complete mental
2905.4 2925.3 physical and social well-being, not merely the absence of disease or infirmity. So, if we start from that place, of that definition, and understand it and also realise that you can't have optimal mental health without having optimal physical health, and you can't have optimal physical health without having optimal mental health, because it's interlinked.
2924.5 2934.5 I think, we then branch out, and we think about how can we create those conditions so that people have for example the right wages.
2934.1 2945.4 You know, if you're in a low-pay, high-demand, low-control job, the impact on your health is effectively a death sentence. You know, these are the kind of discussions we need to be having…
2946.1 2950.6 politically and in a medical establishment, and with the public as well.
2950.6 2953.0 One of the things you're doing now is,
2953.3 2960.9 You're helping people that may have been injured by the vaccine… and what is available to people?
2961.0 2962.9 It's a great question.
2962.3 2965.9 Honest answer is, it's a moving space, so…
2967.2 2999.7 My work has been traditionally looking at how we combat chronic disease through lifestyle. Many of the people who are vulnerable to vaccine injuries are the same people who are vulnerable to covid, right? So, people who have inner conditions or who are obese, for example, overweight… So, one of the things that I've been doing with vaccine injuries and patients myself is actually implementing these lifestyle changes, like eating real food, doing thirty minutes of moderate activity a day, let's really focus on your stress levels, and a lot of these people are getting better because of that. But there's a lot of uncertainty about whether there are any other drugs.
2998.8 3020.6 I know that you know, at the flcc conference which I'm attending in Dallas and speaking at… The moment there are doctors there that are producing protocols that seem to be working, observationally, whether it's vitamin infusions, the lifestyle, even the controversial ivermectin, apparently seems to be helping some patients as well, which is really interesting…
What does it help?
3019.8 3024.3 Well, it has some mechanism, apparently, which seems to
3024.7 3027.7 alleviate the damage from the spike protein.
3026.8 3062.7 I mean, that's the theoretical benefit of ivermectin.
Theoretical…
Theoretical, but it's being used, and because it's extremely safe, it's one of the safest drugs we have, I think there's, you know, it's not unreasonable, and those people are resistant, you know… So, I think we need to think about that. But the problem, Joe, as well, is that because the establishment is ignoring what is now a pandemic of vaccinated people, we can't devote as many resources as we'd like to research and managing these people, because a lot of these people are poor, you know, these patients are being gaslighted, still by their doctors…
Yeah
and that's a big issue.
3061.8 3082.4 I mean, even last week, there was an interesting case that was reported on the BBC, where a young thirty-two-year-old fit and healthy psychologist in the NHS took the AstraZeneca vaccine. We used that initially in the UK, as well. And within ten days he died of a severe stroke… And
3083.0 3101.9 the death certificate, the wife fought for, I mean, kudos to her. She fought for him, and for justice for him, and the death certificate said he died of natural causes. So, it ultimately went to court, and the coroner confirmed that this was absolutely likely caused by the AstraZeneca vaccine, you know…
3102.7 3107.6 So, these sorts of discussions we need to keep, you know, we need to keep having them.
3107.8 3114.9 Why do you think at this point there's still such an incredible reluctance to blame anything on the vaccine?
3115.8 3142.3 Because people will…
With any other medication, people on any other medication, it seems like… It wouldn't be so easy to dismiss. Like when people got strokes with the Vioxx, people weren't saying, oh, come on, you just had a regular stroke, the Vioxx didn't have anything to do with it… But with this, you do see that narrative, like, you know, hey, he had a heart attack seven days after he was vaccinated.
3141.9 3144.0 Well, people have heart attacks…
3143.6 3155.6 There's no consideration for a novel treatment that has been administered to hundreds of millions of people in this country. No consideration to maybe it that had a factor.
3154.8 3182.7 In fact, they actively try to ignore that as a possible factor. And I have talked to so many people that have had either similar situations to yours, or worse, where they had an adverse effect from the vaccine, and these anecdotal stories of people and their doctor's reluctance to admit or to even consider that it had anything to do with that. It is quite shocking!
3183.1 3194.8 The indoctrination on vaccine safety, Joe, is so so deep, historically, and with this, that even educated people think they're being objective
3195.8 3205.7 I think what's made this worse is that many of these doctors and many people themselves, when they've had it, they brought it into the narrative
3205.9 3211.3 and we have to also have… We have to think empathetically and compassionately…
3211.6 3231.6 with them. In a sense, I think, we have to have that conversation and understand that changing one's mind, in general, is actually for many people quite an emotionally traumatic experience. But, really, if you think about it, and, you know, we are strong enough and mature enough to be able to
3233.2 3240.0 understand what's happened here, and to try and move forward constructively. But for most people
3240.6 3307.9 the kind of discussion we're having now about all of these system failures and the corruption and people being harmed, and, you know, this vaccine that almost certainly, I think quite likely, these drug companies knew already about the harms before they were rolled out, that's why they got immunity from getting sued if people got vaccinated because they knew… It's a lot to take in, Joe, it's much easier to bury your head in the sand and to ignore this wilful blindness. It's an easier route to take than to confront these truths… But we have to confront the facts, because if we don't, it's only gonna keep happening.
But other people are doing the work for the ???. And that's where it gets weird to me when it comes to this. This is something that I've never seen before, but I have seen with the vaccine, is that there are people that, because of their own personal choices, or because of whatever positions they initially asserted… Initially pro-vaccine or, you know, trying to tell people to get it or trying to be influential… These people are so reluctant to change course.
3307.0 3310.2 I'm not talking about medical health professionals.
3309.3 3311.8 I'm talking about journalists.
3311.0 3313.8 I'm talking about people in the public area.
3312.9 3320.7 I'm talking about influencers and celebrities that have initially stated that you should go do this.
3319.8 3321.7 I'm doing this,
3320.9 3337.1 you should do this. Those people are still carrying water for the pharmaceutical industries to cover up their own either incorrect assumptions and assertions or… But for whatever reason they want to do it… They're doing the work for them.
3336.2 3344.1 Like when, you see, if someone talks about having some sort of a vaccine adverse side effect, they're attacked.
3343.0 3353.9 I've seen people get attacked. I've seen people talk about someone they know that got sick or even died, and they'll get attacked.
3354.0 3368.8 It's very strange, because it's become much more of a medical issue, and it turned into a tribal issue, and in this country, it's very separated in terms of ideological inclinations.
3367.9 3373.0 You have your Republicans and you have your Democrats, your right-wing people, and your left-wing people.
3372.1 3377.7 Right-wing people are more reluctant to take it. They're more reluctant to believe…
3378.0 3416.8 They were seeking alternative treatments. Some of them were ineffective, and then you had, unfortunately, a lot of those people who were unhealthy, to begin with, and then you had the left-wing people who were all in, they were getting [i]Pfizer[/i] tattoos, they were showing photos of them getting vaccinated, they were posting their little stickers "got vaccinated", they had their little hypodermic needle emoji and their little bio. It's wild shit because it became a tribal identity signifier. It was a signal that you were sending out to other people that you were on the right side, you've done the right thing.
Yes, I think
3417.1 3428.6 there's an element, for sure, in this, that those people who are indoctrinated believe that they have done a good thing in society, they believe they have done the right thing.
3427.7 3435.8 And I think they thought that when they did it initially. So, that's why they're reluctant to relinquish that and to say they got duped.
3434.9 3437.4 Yeah, but you know, it takes the …
3437.8 3440.8 School… I went to Mont Goma school.
3440.1 3442.1 You know, I think it shaped me.
3441.2 3444.2 I'm very proud of the school I went to Almato.
3443.3 3445.1 It was Latin.
3444.4 3446.2 ???
3446.0 3456.5 ??? To be wise, it takes courage to change one's mind and to admit that you may have been wrong, so it's not an easy thing for people to do.
3455.5 3457.5 It's the right thing to do.
3456.6 3461.9 It's about living virtuously. As doctors, we're also taught evidence changes.
3461.0 3469.0 We need to change the evidence. But not everybody feels comfortable doing that, Joe. And I think that there's… some of it is probably fear of getting attacked.
3468.0 3481.0 I mean, I know some celebrity figures that privately, you know, I won't name them, who are completely, you know, I agree with this team, keep going, we support you et cetera, thank you… And they sent me all these… But they won't come out and speak out. And I was like, you know,
3481.3 3506.1 even if half a dozen well-known celebrity figures, Joe, came out simultaneously and said we're very concerned, this vaccine is causing harm, please suspend it, calling an investigation. I think this issue would probably end overnight. It honestly doesn't take that many people of prominence to really speak out… And… I don't know if you've watched
3507.1 3527.0 the movie she said is around what happened with Harvey Weinstein
No
So, and this is corroborated, you know, obviously, movies can sometimes be fictional, but this is very accurate. And one of the things that come out in that film is that all these women who had suffered harm from harvey weinstein
3527.4 3553.5 when the journalists went to them, it was the new york times originally, they broke the story. They were all very very scared of speaking out on their own, like they would get attacked. And, you know, he was so powerful and all of that influence… But what the journalist did, is that they got several of these women, and they basically were honest with them, saying, listen, so and so is going to say as well, you're not going to be alone. And the line was when they jumped, they all jumped together…
3555.0 3579.9 Right? So, we haven't got… I think we all were getting there… We have to just keep speaking the truth and sort of letting go of the outcome because it's the right thing to do. But if there are people, out there, who have a voice of a platform, and I know some of them, by the way… I'm talking about some really big-name celebrities who messaged me. Like very very famous people who say, thank you, keep going. And I've said to them would do you speak out? And…
3578.9 3592.2 I've had that same experience, yeah. I've had it privately. I've had it through messages, I've had it through emails, in texts. Lots of it privately… A lot of people don't even want to write it down, they just want to tell you.
3591.6 3621.1 And a lot of them have stories… And the number of people that I know that have come up to me privately to tell me about their own vaccine injury, really, and about how they've been either ignored or dismissed by the physician, how they've sought other doctors out and the reluctance of admitting that this was somehow or another connected… They want to think of the vaccine as being an overall absolute positive, a miracle science.
3620.5 3628.8 This is what got us through this. Sure, there are always going to be some side effects because you're administering to a massive amount of people.
3627.9 3631.1 And that's the narrative they get from their doctor, yeah.
3630.4 3631.5 Yeah.
3630.6 3635.1 And we shouldn't underestimate the scale of what we're dealing with.
3634.5 3711.1 I recently went to south africa on a bit of a speaking tour, trying to engage with politicians and speak to the media, and give lectures to doctors. And the person that invited me there, Joe, is a chap called Jay Naidoo. Now, Jay was a trade union leader, he was considered the chief orchestrator of the release of Nelson Mandela from prison, and he served in his first cabinet. And he contacted me, a few months ago, and I was a bit overwhelmed, because I was, like, he's a South African elder, he's one of those powerful voices in Africa. And he said listen, Aseem, for what you've been doing, you know, thank you. And I was like, wow, you know I support you, and what can I do to help, et cetera et cetera. And what he said to me, and he also said this recently on gb news, he said Aseem, what we are dealing with here, the scale of the problem, the battle we have, is far bigger than what we fought in terms of apartheid. And this is a guy, at the age of thirty-six, who thought he was going to be killed, who had people with AK-47s looking for him, because during that time it was pretty horrific what happened to ethnic minority dissidents in south africa. People were put in prison, and then they were murdered in prison. I mean, that's what we're talking about here, that's how bad he said this is far bigger…